2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Fleet 1]

[Leslie Grossman]

Sean McVay and Jim Harbaugh are leading the charge back to power football.

This is the antidote to light boxes, coverage linebackers and this umbrella shit.

What happens to an umbrella when it gets hit with a strong gust of wind ?

Great point, even I was surprised to see how much money the Rams put into their guards. Good, but never going to be pro bowlers.
Will have to look, but aside from Kupp they aren’t investing a lot of money into WR?
Colby Parkinson got big money to run block at TE.

[wu-dai clan]

Great point, even I was surprised to see how much money the Rams put into their guards. Good, but never going to be pro bowlers.
Will have to look, but aside from Kupp they aren’t investing a lot of money into WR?
Colby Parkinson got big money to run block at TE.

They design plays so Stafford gets the ball out early.

Kupp, Nacua beat press coverage.

McVay is genius level.

Let's see how it all goes with no Aaron Donald.

[Chargers8491]

Great point, even I was surprised to see how much money the Rams put into their guards. Good, but never going to be pro bowlers.
Will have to look, but aside from Kupp they aren’t investing a lot of money into WR?
Colby Parkinson got big money to run block at TE.

Another point to think about is linebackers are getting lighter and faster so it kind makes since to go back to smash mouth football.

We are still going to throw the ball, but we aren't going to push down the field like we did the last several years. They are going to be a lot of short to mid range passes to allow the receivers to get large chunks of yards after the catch. This is why I think QJ is going to have a breakout year this year. He is the perfect Harbaugh receiver.

[Lefty2SLO]

They design plays so Stafford gets the ball out early.

Kupp, Nacua beat press coverage.

McVay is genius level.

Let's see how it all goes with no Aaron Donald.

It's gonna be harder - no doubt, without AD absorbing multiple blockers . . . . . . . Rams and Chargers will be looking to run the ball more, control TOP and keep from exposing their defenses any more than they have to . . . .

[charger1_sj]

Yup. A big ingredient to the Chiefs winning this year was interior offensive linemen and Pacheco running over defenders in sub 30 degree ugly weather in Weeks 19, 20 and 21.
Mahomes and company then struck when they needed to most.

Andy Reid came from Lambeau with Favre, spent a significant time in Philly. That guy knows cold weather psychology.

We play half our games in LA. First things first. We need to beat out the Chiefs for the division title to avoid going on the road in January.

The Chiefs beat a very good offensive team in the 49ers when they held them to 19 points in regulation. The 49ers had a great run game
with McCaffrey and Co. and lost. How did this happen? KC CBs are excellent. They basically took away Ayuk's deep threat and Deebo's running
sweeps and screens. Both receivers are far better than anything we currently have on the roster. So if their CBs take away our WR they will
do to us what they did to SF. Stack the box, limit the long runs and blitz the safeties, LBs when appropriate.

Running the football sounds fine but you're not going to beat the Chiefs without a passing game and a defense.

[Leslie Grossman]

To expand a little further….
We know how fast in the 40 Kupp and Puka were.
40 time not as important as some think it is.
If Puka gets a massive 2nd contract I doubt Kupp gets a 3rd, especially if the injuries continue.
Pay your best receiver well, change out the other 2 every 4-5 years if necessary.

Weren’t many of us here against extending Mike and Ekeler at those costs if I remember correctly? Yet we were proven right by a mile.
Keenan certainly earned his but for a rebuilding team it was time to go without a massive pay cut, and only a few of us called that as well.
Once the Chargers get it rolling by year 3 hopefully, everyone here will be on board with our philosophy.

[Lefty2SLO]

We play half our games in LA. First things first. We need to beat out the Chiefs for the division title to avoid going on the road in January.

The Chiefs beat a very good offensive team in the 49ers when they held them to 19 points in regulation. The 49ers had a great run game
with McCaffrey and Co. and lost. How did this happen? KC CBs are excellent. They basically took away Ayuk's deep threat and Deebo's running
sweeps and screens. Both receivers are far better than anything we currently have on the roster. So if their CBs take away our WR they will
do to us what they did to SF. Stack the box, limit the long runs and blitz the safeties, LBs when appropriate.

Running the football sounds fine but you're not going to beat the Chiefs without a passing game and a defense.

Agreed . . . . . . . . we won't be beating good teams, playoff level teams, without being complete and balanced. We hade years (decades really) where our offense was far better than our defense it never got us a championship.

[charger1_sj]

"Imagine Justin Herbert with a run game..." I didn't say it... the coaches said it.
"You have to run the ball and protect the QB..." Again, I didn't say it. Although, I have been saying that for years, now.

Just think about how a 49ers offense or a Ravens offense would have looked with Justin Herbert at QB.
The opposing defense will have a big problem if our run game gets going. But... we have to get the run game going first.
You could keep Dissly in to help Pipkins pass block... but what a wasted opportunity.
You could have Dissly help Pipkins run block... but again, what a wasted opportunity.

The 49ers had Joe Staley and Anthony Davis @OT
The Ravens had Ronnie Stanley and Orlando Brown Jr @OT when they went 14-2.

Neither team's WR corp was great... yet they still were able to pass the ball. Jackson had 36 passing TD's 2019. Kaepernick had 21 passing TD's (career high) in 2013.

And the thing that doesn't get as much notice... those teams had very good defenses. Our defense is no where near as talented. Trading back allows us to start plugging holes in the defense. DT, LB, and CB are especially weak/thin.

Why did we bring in Dissly if not to block? Both the Ravens and 49ers lost to the Chiefs. There is no problem stopping our run game if
there is no passing attack. Teams will just stack the box. Who is Herbert going to throw to? You saw what they did to the 49ers late,
They brought in more people in the box and blitzed on a critical down. How were they able to do this? Their CBs shut down their WRs
which are currently much better than what we have and so is the 49ers O line.

There is reason the NFL is a passing league. It's not going to change anytime soon. Running the football has always been important as
it opens up the passing game. I believe this is what Harbaugh wants. It otherwise does not work in itself. We are not running the football
80% of the time. We hope to stay away from 3rd and long by having a consistent run game. But we win games by unleashing Herbert
and the pass game. So many close games come down to the last possession with less than 2 minutes to go. If we can't pass we're not
winning.

[dmac_bolt]

We play half our games in LA. First things first. We need to beat out the Chiefs for the division title to avoid going on the road in January.

The Chiefs beat a very good offensive team in the 49ers when they held them to 19 points in regulation. The 49ers had a great run game
with McCaffrey and Co. and lost. How did this happen? KC CBs are excellent. They basically took away Ayuk's deep threat and Deebo's running
sweeps and screens. Both receivers are far better than anything we currently have on the roster. So if their CBs take away our WR they will
do to us what they did to SF. Stack the box, limit the long runs and blitz the safeties, LBs when appropriate.

Running the football sounds fine but you're not going to beat the Chiefs without a passing game and a defense.

49ers also have an excellent defense. Not saying we don’t need offense to beat the Chiefs, just noting it. SF was 3rd in points allowed. Chiefs were #2 in Defense PA. They were #15 in offense in reg season (yards and points). They didn’t win the AFCCG or SB by a blowout offense, they won with defense.

[Boltnut]

Why did we bring in Dissly if not to block? Both the Ravens and 49ers lost to the Chiefs. There is no problem stopping our run game if
there is no passing attack. Teams will just stack the box. Who is Herbert going to throw to? You saw what they did to the 49ers late,
They brought in more people in the box and blitzed on a critical down. How were they able to do this? Their CBs shut down their WRs
which are currently much better than what we have and so is the 49ers O line.

There is reason the NFL is a passing league. It's not going to change anytime soon. Running the football has always been important as
it opens up the passing game. I believe this is what Harbaugh wants. It otherwise does not work in itself. We are not running the football
80% of the time. We hope to stay away from 3rd and long by having a consistent run game. But we win games by unleashing Herbert
and the pass game. So many close games come down to the last possession with less than 2 minutes to go. If we can't pass we're not
winning.

What you guys seem to be missing... Dissly can block. But wouldn't it be better to have a RT that could hold their own (both pass blocking and run blocking...? You can send Dissly to the 2nd level to run block a LB or safety if you have a RT that can hold their own. Even in the passing game, you can send him out into patterns and force a defense to cover him. If you exclusively hold him in to pass block, the defense can commit another defender to flood the passing zones/lanes... making it harder to pass (regardless of who you have at WR).

The play-action pass will be the bread and butter of the offensive passing game. Without running the ball efficiently, there will be a restricted passing game. We've seen this... why do we continue to ignore this? Herbert's best year by far was the year we finally ran the ball @4.3 ypc.

You can tell me the Ravens and 49ers lost to the Chiefs. But let's remember how close each got to beating them. The 49ers took them to OT. And if not for 2 turnovers in the redzone, the Ravens might have beat them. Both teams got a lot closer than the Dolphins (great set of WR's). Trying to outscore the Chiefs is a fool's erand. The teams that beat them either ran the ball well or played great defense (or both). Create turnovers against the Chiefs if you want to win... you're not going to win a shootout.

[Boltnut]

If I were designing an offense to beat the Chiefs, it would be an offense that can run the ball. I'd put Dissly in the backfield. Help out against Chris Jones in pass protect. Use him as a lead blocker. Certain plays send him out into the flat (bringing a LB or safety with him) to clear out some room in the middle for Hayden Hurst. Pick up the blitz up the middle (increasingly popular in the NFL). Be creative! Don't relegate him to helping out Pip every play on the right side... that's antiquated thinking. The same antiquated thinking that believes college left tackles couldn't possible be used on the right side.

Of course to do that, you need OT's that can hold their own on the outside... and Pip isn't that.