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1- #11 Bowers TE 7a- #225 Boyd DT
2a- #35 Cooper LB 7b- #253 Vidal RB
2b- #37 Jenkins DT
3a- #66 Puni OT
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
interesting stat details on Fuaga and Alt, thanks Beach!
i'm a simple guy, but if Fuaga is between #30 and #38 or whatever for NCAA pass pro - is it fair to say that there are not 30 college OTs that become NFL OT starters per draft year. If he needs to move inside to OG because he can't pass pro, that drops him at least 10 more draft slots on my board towards the 20s. Heaven forbid we use a #5 or #8 on a "RT" that can't pass block.
I dont' know those numbers project as linearly as this or anything - just reacting to those numbers alone on paper. May mean nada too.
don't care so much 'bout well rounded/all around.... read Zierlein, Jeremiah and others.... Fuaga can def pass block, but the superlatives about his run blocking just jump off the page.5/11 Fuaga, 37 Kamari Lassiter, 40 Sinnott, 67 Bralen Trice, 69 Cedric Gray, 105 Jaylen Wright, 110 Braelon Allen, 140 Joe Milton, 181 Khristian Boyd, Tylan Grable, 225 Daijun Edwards, 253 Miyan Williams
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Originally posted by Fleet 1 View Post
Yeah the "Blanket Assumption" thing threw me off. I wondered if you thought i was attacking you via my reposnse to BJ. Thats why i reached out to you privately to make sure you knew i dont always read discussions/debates here. This place is running smooth and heavy. I work the twitter mines for gems. And get them here. So when i do post here its usually just to throw my takes into the TPB machine. Getting it out there. Not too into the debates as i am slammed with life.
But i hear what you are saying. I spend a lot of time defending Bowers because the takes against him are way off. And facts are usually not part of it. Its just that guys want Nabers. I want any of the 3 to be honest. And again i dont view Bowers as a proto TE. He is all 3 TEs. Inline. Hybrid. Flex. He moves around(joker) can line up at FB...no need for a Picard type...and he dominates from all the WR slots because CBs cant cover him. Nor can Safeties and LBs. His YAC ability is better than a lot of WRs in the league. Its certainly head and shoulders above any TE in the league. He is Derrick Henry with the ball in his hands.
I just wish he would stop getting the TE only treatment. And more would see where the league is headed. We go through trends. RBs get phased out. Passing and 11 Personnel all the rage. Then defenses adjust. Now we are back to Run games being key and RBs being all the rage. We go in cycles...yet the one common thread/denominator for success in this league can be viewed through the Chiefs...that is heavy run game and 12 Personnel. Its like they didnt really get coacught up in the trends and just stuck with what is becoming really popular again. Heavy TE usage. Lions...Niners....Chiefs...Ravens. All do this and have been for a while now. Look for the Bills to start moving towards 2TE sets going forward.
You dont draft for the past...you draft forward thinking...knowing the trends. Knowing the cycles. Bowers is the ultimate prize for where i think the league is now. And has been. Even when teams are trying to go massive 3WR sets...the teams running heavy TE are still winning through it all. Starting to see a lot of 12 personnel with condensed splits as well. I bet we see a lot of that. Heavy Texas concepts. Condensed splits. Bunched up near the OL. Heavy packages. This should be more old school football for us. Similar to the LT/Gates years.
Right now i think it is definitly Bowers, or maybe Fuaga or maybe Mims are the target with a little trade back. But i still think the iOL is the biggest need. Still think WR isnt a big need.
I know most like Nabers but i think id go Odunze over him in a little trade back. We still need picks and it looks like those will come from trade backs in round 1 and 2....not moving far in either but it gets us 2-4 extra picks.
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Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
So...are you with me thinking Bowers could still be the pick? I still think he could be though i think OT moves closer to the top. We will run the ball and its evident from those TE moves. Think Parham and Stone....Stone for sure will be goners.
Right now i think it is definitly Bowers, Fuaga or Mims are the target with a little trade back. Still think WR isnt a big need.
I know most like Nabers but i think id go Odunze over him in a little trade back. We still need picks and it looks like those will come from trade backs in round 1 and 2....not moving far in either but it gets us 2-4 extra picks.
Keenan....Dissly.....Hurst....Nabers
Keenan....Dissly....Bowers....QJ
Just wondering what package does the most damage. WR is so deep that we could end up upgrading QJ with a 3rd rounder. lol
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Originally posted by Fleet 1 View Post
Fuaga/Bowers/Nabers/Rome/Alt all feel like possibilities. I just know how key TE is for this scheme. And not sure im ok with our pass catching flex type guys. Maybe Roman plans on sort of moving away from his heavy 12 days?
Keenan....Dissly.....Hurst....Nabers
Keenan....Dissly....Bowers....QJ
Just wondering what package does the most damage. WR is so deep that we could end up upgrading QJ with a 3rd rounder. lol
Doubt we go 2nd round WR but Legettte or McConkey would be good gets.
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Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
If QJ were in this draft he actually would be a 3rd rounder...maybe 4th.
Doubt we go 2nd round WR but Legettte or McConkey would be good gets.
Essentialy 3 monster pass catchers. And big powerful blocking that can move around. You could put Bowers at WR and go Dissly/Parham or Hurst. He is so damn flexible. On the perimeter you cant put a corner on Bowers. You can move him to FB on short yardage runs also. Goal Line runs. He is a 100% snap chess piece. Poeple keep seeing TE only. Inline TE. Thats a part time player. He is so much more.
Kittle...Aiyuk....Deebo....Juszczyk
He is a combo of all these players. lol The Deebo comp is his YAC.
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Originally posted by Fleet 1 View Post
Keenan - Dissly - Bowers - Legette
Essentialy 3 monster pass catchers. And big powerful blocking that can move around. You could put Bowers at WR and go Dissly/Parham or Hurst. He is so damn flexible. On the perimeter you cant put a corner on Bowers. You can move him to FB on short yardage runs also. Goal Line runs. He is a 100% snap chess piece. Poeple keep seeing TE only. Inline TE. Thats a part time player. He is so much more.
Kittle...Aiyuk....Deebo....Juszczyk
He is a combo of all these players. lol The Deebo comp is his YAC.
I'm scratching my head. Is Hurst backup insurance or our receiving TE? We currently have 4 TE on the roster. Something is going to give.
I don't see the same four come Sept.
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Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post
I also saw Bowers as the best fit early on. But at #5 I don't think so. Trading down still a possibility. But with the moves they just made at TE
I'm scratching my head. Is Hurst backup insurance or our receiving TE? We currently have 4 TE on the roster. Something is going to give.
I don't see the same four come Sept.
I really hope he times low 4.5s. I mean most CBs in this draft are running in the 4.5s this year. Thats also a concern of mine. And we need CBs. But man not a lot of top end guys with elite speed. That is one position i want CBs with some pace. WRs are faster than shit nowadays.
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Originally posted by Fleet 1 View Post
Fuaga/Bowers/Nabers/Rome/Alt all feel like possibilities. I just know how key TE is for this scheme. And not sure im ok with our pass catching flex type guys. Maybe Roman plans on sort of moving away from his heavy 12 days?
Keenan....Dissly.....Hurst....Nabers
Keenan....Dissly....Bowers....QJ
Just wondering what package does the most damage. WR is so deep that we could end up upgrading QJ with a 3rd rounder. lol
Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....
"Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh
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Originally posted by Fleet 1 View Post
No clue whats happening. But im tired of the Bowers not worth the 5 thing because he is a TE. lol Done defending him. He is a movable piece. More so than Kelce and Andrews. Kittle as well. I have crazy plays in mind with him. Again i just see a multi role player. He is the most multi role guy in this draft. And the most multi role TE in the league. He might also be the most versatile pass catcher in the league. He is a giant WR.
I really hope he times low 4.5s. I mean most CBs in this draft are running in the 4.5s this year. Thats also a concern of mine. And we need CBs. But man not a lot of top end guys with elite speed. That is one position i want CBs with some pace. WRs are faster than shit nowadays.
running at Georgia pro day either. If we didn't have so many needs I'd stick @ 5. But center, CB, RB and even LB are real needs.
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Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
So...are you with me thinking Bowers could still be the pick? I still think he could be though i think OT moves closer to the top. We will run the ball and its evident from those TE moves. Think Parham and Stone....Stone for sure will be goners.
Right now i think it is definitly Bowers, or maybe Fuaga or maybe Mims are the target with a little trade back. But i still think the iOL is the biggest need. Still think WR isnt a big need.
I know most like Nabers but i think id go Odunze over him in a little trade back. We still need picks and it looks like those will come from trade backs in round 1 and 2....not moving far in either but it gets us 2-4 extra picks.
If you believe you have access to a 21 year old Jerry Rice, I think you take him at #5, even if WR isn't your most pressing need.
So we'll see how impressed, or unimpressed, Hortiz is with the wideout talent that will be available to him at #5.
It seems evident, however, that Hortiz could trade down, get extra draft capital, and STILL get a difference-making player. Even Bowers. On a team desperate for reinforcements, the only reasons you DON'T trade down from this position are (1) you don't get a worthy offer, or (2) you believe you have Jerry Rice available to you.
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Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post
I also saw Bowers as the best fit early on. But at #5 I don't think so. Trading down still a possibility. But with the moves they just made at TE
I'm scratching my head. Is Hurst backup insurance or our receiving TE? We currently have 4 TE on the roster. Something is going to give.
I don't see the same four come Sept.
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