2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[charger1993]

Those highlights of McKinstrey are puzzling in that those are the plays they chose. Half of those throws are terrible throws, one at 1:21 is likely, maybe a PI in the NFL as he is holding the recievers right arm and not looking back at the ball. I got nothing against McKinstrey at all,...i do like him but those are some puzzling plays to make a highlight video of.

Not real impressed by the TE. Reminds of the Calcatara TE you liked late rounds that hasnt done diddley in the NFL in 2 seasons. Thats just drafting a backup at a possition we will have nobody at next year except Stone Smartt.
He has little speed, little YAC ability that will translate to the NFL. IMO that isnt helping Herbert.
Even if we dont get Bowers, id be looking at Sanders or Stover knowing Stover is raw....or Sinnott.

holker is this years steal at te

[Leslie Grossman]

This board is sleeping on the best Center prospect in this draft.

Graham Barton DUKE

And he has position flexibility.

Also, I do not presume to have inside knowledge on Linsley's medical prognosis, and his very personal decision. For now, he is no doubt consulting with doctors, assessing, reassessing, and spending time with the new twins. It still could go either way.

He’s playing center at the Senior Bowl.
Would absolutely take him in the second if he’s there, might not get past the lions or dolphins in the first round.

[Leslie Grossman]

Fuaga >> Alt >> Fashanu

At RT I agree
How has Slater played this season? Move him to RT and take Alt or Fashanu?

[21&500]

Day 3 RB1: just when the NFL zigs, we're a zaggin'!


Braelon Allen Draft Profile | Wisconsin, RB Scouting Report


At 19 years old, Wisconsin RB Braelon Allen is already one of college football's most dominant runners. What does his 2024 NFL Draft scouting report look like?



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Wisconsin RB Braelon Allen has been one of college football’s most productive runners for two years. Is that production translatable on the 2024 NFL Draft circuit? This scouting report looks at Allen’s diagnostic traits and delineates his expected capital in the 2024 NFL Draft. Braelon Allen Draft Profile and Measurements

• Height: 6’2″
• Weight: 245 pounds
• Position: Running Back
• School: Wisconsin
• Current Year: Junior

A two-way four-star recruit out of high school, Allen played safety, and running back, and was projected by some as a linebacker because of his frame. But he quickly found his way into the starting lineup as a running back for Wisconsin, and that opportunity has yielded fruitful results through 2021 and 2022.

Over those two years, Allen has been a dominating force on the Big Ten stage. In 2021, he amassed 1,268 yards and 12 touchdowns on 186 carries, averaging almost seven yards per attempt. In 2022, he tacked on 230 carries, 1,242 yards, and 11 touchdowns to his career totals.

Allen is already on a potentially historic pace through his first two years — that is if he stays in college for more than three years. Is Allen a candidate to declare early for the 2024 NFL Draft? That’s what we’re here to discuss. Braelon Allen Scouting Report

Strengths

• Has elite overall size, and will be just 20 years old as an NFL rookie.
• Can easily absorb and bounce off solo hits with his tightly-packed midsection.
• High-level goal-line back with his size and mass, and can plow through the trenches.
• For his size, has great long-track accelerative capacity, and can be difficult to slow.
• Flashes the necessary foot speed to snap inside power run creases and dart upfield.
• He can quickly reset his feet and sustain leg churns following contact with his center of gravity.
• Has the grating play strength and contact balance to fight through successive tackles.
• Can sift through congested areas and carve his way into space like an icebreaker.
• Actively uses his length and high-end play strength to pry past occluding defenders.
• Has good long speed once he hits open space and can extend long runs.
• Has enough lateral agility to off-set solo defenders in space with gallop-steps.
• Flashes solid vision on inside zone runs and can adjust his tracking angle to follow lanes.
• Has shown he can quickly recognize backside lanes on counter runs off the exchange.
• On occasion, shows he can extend beyond his frame for high passes.
• Size and play strength naturally translate on pass-blocking reps.

Weaknesses

• Has noticeable hip stiffness and isn’t a free-flowing or fluid lateral mover.
• Doesn’t have the lateral freedom or creative instincts to dart around early contact.
• Hip stiffness limits the angles Allen can cut and bend while keeping his stride.
• Doesn’t quite have the swivel freedom to redirect at 90-degree angles to evade.
• Lacks elite initial burst and explosiveness, and works in congestion out of necessity.
• Strides and short-area movements are not quick, diluting adaptability under duress.
• Full-field vision is questionable, as he sometimes misses wide-open lanes outside.
• Frequently passes up opportunities to bounce to the boundary and utilize space.
• Can be too quick to decelerate and hesitate when faced with congestion.
• Sometimes defers to congestion and fails to adapt when initial interior lanes close.
• Hip stiffness limits maximum stride length and governs his long speed below elite levels.
• Can maintain discipline with blocking footwork to increase recovery freedom versus blitz.
• Sometimes overshoots rushers when blocking on the move, and keeps his hands too wide.
• Lacks great receiving instincts with his hands, and stiffness limits route running upside.

Current Draft Projection and Summary


On my 2024 NFL Draft board, Allen grades out as a late Day 3 pick. He’s in the draftable range as a prospect, but his profile isn’t as upside-laden or as all-encompassing as his production would suggest, and he could be drowned out by more versatile RB prospects in the 2024 class.

Allen has a lot of conceptual factors ruling in his favor. He’s a massive runner at 6’2″, 245 pounds. He’ll be just a 20-year-old rookie without too much wear on his tires. And his documented athleticism is impressive. Per the Feldman’s Freaks list from the 2022 offseason, he has a 10-yard split of just 1.49 seconds.

The metrics and production support Allen’s early-round bid, but it doesn’t always translate on tape. Allen doesn’t quite show off the elite explosiveness upfield that his numbers suggest. And while he does have solid vertical speed once he gets going, he’s a linear runner who lacks great agility, fluidity, or creative instincts.

Allen experiences frequent delays when he needs to decelerate or adjust his running leverage, and he also lacks the full-field vision to identify cutback lanes outside. Allen is built like a power runner, and that’s how he profiles on the field. He’s massive and physical, but he’s also not very dynamic, not adaptable, and lacks versatility in the passing phase.

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Allen’s size, youth, baseline interior vision, and contact utility should help him earn a rotational role as a short-yardage and goal line back at the next level, who could take on added volume when needed. But Allen may never be an impact two-phase NFL starter despite his dominant collegiate production.
NFL Draft Scouting Reports

[electricgold]

Instead of Kool Aid in the first round what about CB Mike Sainristil in the 3 Rd?

[wu-dai clan]

He’s playing center at the Senior Bowl.
Would absolutely take him in the second if he’s there, might not get past the lions or dolphins in the first round.

Agreed.

This guy has the ability to make line calls. He can handle delayed/disguised blitzes and athletic 3Techs coming across his face.

The other Center prospects many here are touting are redundant Zion Johnson types IMV. We might as well move our OLG to Center.

[Lone Bolt]

This board is sleeping on the best Center prospect in this draft.

Graham Barton DUKE

And he has position flexibility.

Also, I do not presume to have inside knowledge on Linsley's medical prognosis, and his very personal decision. For now, he is no doubt consulting with doctors, assessing, reassessing, and spending time with the new twins. It still could go either way.

Have you checked out the kid from Oregon? That guy is a true junkyard dawg...true...dont REALLY know how much horsepower he has between the ears...but he sure looks like he knows what he is doing on tape...love the nastiness...kid is a savage!!

[NOrvMeNow]

This board is sleeping on the best Center prospect in this draft.

Graham Barton DUKE

And he has position flexibility.

Also, I do not presume to have inside knowledge on Linsley's medical prognosis, and his very personal decision. For now, he is no doubt consulting with doctors, assessing, reassessing, and spending time with the new twins. It still could go either way.

He's a t-rex LT, with a bit of center experience, who will be placed inside in the NFL.

Barton ................................................ Van pratt

6'5", 314 , 32 1/2 arms ..................... 6'4'', 315, 31 1/2


Some already no my feelings on throwing college lineman into a new position in the pros.


If Linsley is ready to go, would you still take a chance on him? He was seemingly breaking down before the heart issue.

[Boltjolt]

Agreed.

This guy has the ability to make line calls. He can handle delayed/disguised blitzes and athletic 3Techs coming across his face.

The other Center prospects many here are touting are redundant Zion Johnson types IMV. We might as well move our OLG to Center.

Or sign a FA,. ..that's my take

[wu-dai clan]

He's a t-rex LT, with a bit of center experience, who will be placed inside in the NFL.

Barton ................................................ Van pratt

6'5", 314 , 32 1/2 arms ..................... 6'4'', 315, 31 1/2


Some already no my feelings on throwing college lineman into a new position in the pros.


If Linsley is ready to go, would you still take a chance on him? He was seemingly breaking down before the heart issue.

Yes.
For at least another year.
We are strained in cap space and PONs.
I mostly agee with you but see SVP as a OG at the NFL level.

[wu-dai clan]

Have you checked out the kid from Oregon? That guy is a true junkyard dawg...true...dont REALLY know how much horsepower he has between the ears...but he sure looks like he knows what he is doing on tape...love the nastiness...kid is a savage!!

I understand what you are saying and cannot disagree.

Hey Duck hike it to the Duck.

[DerwinBosa]

I would be good with Alt too. But the anti-Bowers comments are kinda ridiculous imo. He is a top talent, he is more highly rated than every TE taken last year that half this crowd clamored for in Rd1. He is consistently rated top 4-6 by all analysts, and our homegrown experts here are not all smarter and have not called out anything specific about him. He is a complete TE in he is a very good run blocker and a very good receiver - he’s complete unlike many that people wanted last year.

some just don’t like TE at 5, well ok thats fine but no need to then call him a shit player who won’t even be good. We do have a huge hole at TE of no elite TE, and we do watch the best teams regularly utilize an elite TE as a difference maker. KC wouldnt have won a single trophy without Kelce. NE won several trophies due to TEs. On and on - a great TE is a difference in the NFL.

I’d be 100% fine if they went Bowers, wouldnt blink for a second. Also fine if they went Nabers though I really can’t see that. I do not think Koolaid is a Top5 pick if his measurables are what they are said to be and folk that ignore that are putting the entire future of the Charger Organization at existential risk!!!

(lol - dramatic reading encouraged)

I don't understand where you're getting that anyone called Bowers a shit tight end. I happen to think those calling him a generational talent are getting out of hand with their praise of him.You state he is consistently ranked 4-6 by most most analysts. Who cares? Many of these same people had JaMarcus Russell and Sam Darnold rated in the top five.

I look at Bowers as a Jeremy Shockey, another complete tight end. Shockey made All-Pro once and the Pro Bowl four times in ten NFL seasons. That's a very good career, but he'll never make the Hall of Fame.

Would I want Jeremy Shockey over Juilius Peppers or Dwight Freeney, both of whom went in that same draft? Absolutely not. That's the argument I'm making against Bowers leading up to this draft. I won't be upset if we draft Bowers. I recognize I don't work in an NFL front office for a reason. But if you ask me what I want now? I'd much rather have Latu or Dallas Turner. I'm sure you're humble enough to also not be upset if the new general manager goes with either of those pass-rushers over Bowers.