2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Chargers8491]

Not a bad idea...but our experience with FA's has been spotty...a lot of busts and injury busts...how about this: Bring in a FA C at a team-friendly price and ALSO draft a C...we need QUALITY DEPTH at C and the rest of O-line...don't want to go into the season with scrub backups like Clapp and Jaimes...

Not to worried about the bolded. This a totally new and different regime and will give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to bring in FAs. Also, I agree that we need depth @ C and expect they will draft a C as an eventual starter. I just don't like the idea of a rookie starting at C vs experience is all.

[Chargers8491]

We need to run the ball better no doubt and that should be a combination of talent at RB, better OL play and better design. But if the idea is that we're going to be a running team then they have made an investment in the QB position that is unnecessary and negatively impacts the rest of the team. They'd be better off trading Herbert and getting a rookie Qb and then trading him before that first contract is up. Imagine the haul of picks for Herbert. You can have all the OL you want in that scenario and some key DL and FA players. Like SF.

They do want to be a running team but lets be honest there will be times that they will have to pass. After listening to Roman he understands this. The idea of being a "running team" is that Herbert doesn't have to carry this team on his shoulders every game because the run game is non-existent like it has been for the last several years.

[charger1_sj]

Ten hours ago. No cherry picking. Just googled mock drafts and the latest mocks came up...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/

Did I mention CBS? I don't think so. Zierlein's mock from 4 days ago.

Lance Zierlein 2024 NFL mock draft 2.0: Broncos move up for J.J. McCarthy; Chiefs add Xavier Worthy
Has us taking MH2.

Not my fault these guys change their minds daily.

[Topcat]

Not to worried about the bolded. This a totally new and different regime and will give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to bring in FAs. Also, I agree that we need depth @ C and expect they will draft a C as an eventual starter. I just don't like the idea of a rookie starting at C vs experience is all.

Well if we look to his Ravens past, Trader Joe has signed a LOT of FA's to one year deals...a one year deal for a FA C is likely...

[charger1_sj]

Simply not true. Teams have been pillaged that have moved up for other positions other than QB.

Give me an example.

[Fouts2herbert]

1) The interior OL was really impacted by Linsley going to IR.

2) However, Pipkins was still the worst OL on the team. Horrible at run blocking. And avg at pass block with the awful turnstile whiff block snap on late game drive. Swing tackle at best.

3) Joe Alt is clear upgrade.

1) number one is True.

2) number two is False. Pipkin's strength is actually run blocking and NO he was not the worst O-lineman on the team in 2023, you guys can keep saying that shit until you get blue in the face but it's just not true, the numbers do not back your theory up at all, on the contrary...

3) number three is also True as well and no one (at least not me) is disputing that, what some of us are saying is that we don't have the luxury to "upgrade" at RT with the #5 pick in the draft especially when it involves moving the prospect to a new position that he has already stated that he doesn't want to play, the team just has too many other glaring needs ATM...

[Chargers8491]

Give me an example.

Ricky Williams, Orlando Pace, ki-Jana Carter, Russel Maryland, Irving Fryer, and more. I can almost guarantee you if MHJ is there at #5 there will be a team that will want to move up to get him and it won't be cheap.

[Critty]

1) number one is True.

2) number two is False. Pipkin's strength is actually run blocking and NO he was not the worst O-lineman on the team in 2023, you guys can keep saying that shit until you get blue in the face but it's just not true, the numbers do not back your theory up at all, on the contrary...

3) number three is also True as well and no one (at least not me) is disputing that, what some of us are saying is that we don't have the luxury to "upgrade" at RT with the #5 pick in the draft especially when it involves moving the prospect to a new position that he has already stated that he doesn't want to play, the team just has too many other glaring needs ATM...

Wow.
You aren't posting numbers to back up your argument. You are simply stating it until you are blue on the face. Stop it. Get your facts straight.

Here are some facts for you

"2023 wasn’t exactly Trey Pipkins’ year on the Los Angeles Chargers. According to Pro Football Focus (PFF), his pass-blocking grade went up a smidge (67.3 from 65.4 in 2022), and along with that came six more sacks allowed, 12 more quarterback hurries, and 17 more quarterback pressures than the previous season. His run-blocking grade actually went down 0.2 and was still solidly in the 50s."

So you telling me he is good at run blocking and that is his strength when he consistently graded bad at run blocking. The strength of his game is pass block and he is only avg at that. That is what the facts are. You can say his strength is run block but you have to prove it and you can't.

"Run-blocking grades are where things took a turn for the worst. Slater dropped to 48 out of 79 in his position, while Johnson was 49th, Salyer 68, and Pipkins III 69th. The Chargers' inefficiency running the ball had the Bolts' third and long, where the defense consistently sent blitzers and pressure."

The worst run blocker on the team is Pipkins. And that is his strength according to you Mr Blue in the face. you should not be making assessments of players without facts that support it, that way you don't end up claiming something as silly as Pipkins strength is run blocking.

If you think bookend OT for Herbert is not good investment at #5, that is your opinion. But you almost seem like Telesco who over drafted and then overpaid Pipkins, and just can't seem to understand that he is not starter quality player. And a major liability in late game drives. Teams will attack the weak part of the line, especially in got to have it snaps in late games and their target is Pipkins.

You are really thin at OT after Slater. And you want to add mid rd OT as your solve for the poor OL play. And put Pipkins back out there at RT. Might as well just kept Telesco at GM if you want to do that.

I'm glad we have Hortiz. If he decides Pipkins is plenty good enough that OT is not a need, then fine. But I strongly suspect he wants an upgrade over Pipkins. Alt is a way better run and pass blocker than Pipkins. And Alt just turned 21 in Feb. Pipkins has been in league for 5 years and is one of the worst RT in the league. You have already seen the best of Pipkins and it isn't starter quality. Period.

[Fouts2herbert]

Wow.
You aren't posting numbers to back up your argument. You are simply stating it until you are blue on the face. Stop it. Get your facts straight.

Here are some facts for you

"2023 wasn’t exactly Trey Pipkins’ year on the Los Angeles Chargers. According to Pro Football Focus (PFF), his pass-blocking grade went up a smidge (67.3 from 65.4 in 2022), and along with that came six more sacks allowed, 12 more quarterback hurries, and 17 more quarterback pressures than the previous season. His run-blocking grade actually went down 0.2 and was still solidly in the 50s."

So you telling me he is good at run blocking and that is his strength when he consistently graded bad at run blocking. The strength of his game is pass block and he is only avg at that. That is what the facts are. You can say his strength is run block but you have to prove it and you can't.

"Run-blocking grades are where things took a turn for the worst. Slater dropped to 48 out of 79 in his position, while Johnson was 49th, Salyer 68, and Pipkins III 69th. The Chargers' inefficiency running the ball had the Bolts' third and long, where the defense consistently sent blitzers and pressure."

The worst run blocker on the team is Pipkins. And that is his strength according to you Mr Blue in the face. you should not be making assessments of players without facts that support it, that way you don't end up claiming something as silly as Pipkins strength is run blocking.

If you think bookend OT for Herbert is not good investment at #5, that is your opinion. But you almost seem like Telesco who over drafted and then overpaid Pipkins, and just can't seem to understand that he is not starter quality player. And a major liability in late game drives. Teams will attack the weak part of the line, especially in got to have it snaps in late games and their target is Pipkins.

You are really thin at OT after Slater. And you want to add mid rd OT as your solve for the poor OL play. And put Pipkins back out there at RT. Might as well just kept Telesco at GM if you want to do that.

I'm glad we have Hortiz. If he decides Pipkins is plenty good enough that OT is not a need, then fine. But I strongly suspect he wants an upgrade over Pipkins. Alt is a way better run and pass blocker than Pipkins. And Alt just turned 21 in Feb. Pipkins has been in league for 5 years and is one of the worst RT in the league. You have already seen the best of Pipkins and it isn't starter quality. Period.

Hortiz just extended Foster Sarell, LOL...

[electricgold]

I would probably rather have RT Christian Jones later in the draft if we have to choose between Brock Bowers or RT Fuaga in the 1st!

Christian Jones is a four-year starter with 48 career starts primarily at right tackle, including 13 starts at right in 2023 inside the Longhorns' balanced (52-48 run-pass split), multiple run scheme centered around zone, counter and pin-pull concepts.Jan 23, 2024

[powderblueboy]

Did I mention CBS? I don't think so. Zierlein's mock from 4 days ago.

Lance Zierlein 2024 NFL mock draft 2.0: Broncos move up for J.J. McCarthy; Chiefs add Xavier Worthy
Has us taking MH2.

Not my fault these guys change their minds daily.

Bowers seems to be dropping to the mid teens/early 20s in these mock drafts.

Maybe the combine hangover effect.

Drake Maye will not be there at 5 .... no way.

Three stud qbs in this draft and then hopefully somebody reaches for McCarthy (who I like).

[electricgold]

Bowers seems to be dropping to the mid teens/early 20s in these mock drafts.

Maybe the combine hangover effect.

Drake Maye will not be there at 5 .... no way.

Three stud qbs in this draft and then hopefully somebody reaches for McCarthy (who I like).

After Bowers pro day if all goes well he'll climb back up rapidly!