2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Boltnut]

Patrick Queen is a BAL UFA. We released ILB Eric Kendriks. Unless he is too pricey a move to bring him here seems to make sense w all the BAL connections.

We'll have to wait and see who stays/who goes and see what kind of cap space we're working with.
But if Queen wasn't brought back by Hortiz's former mentor (because asking price) then we can reasonably infer that Hortiz won't go in that direction.

[Boltnut]

If you have a dripping leak in your faucet, but your toilet burst and is gushing shit into your house, which do you fix first? Pipkins is the drip. Nothing more, and most of us (other than OT) advocates are not huge giant Pip-fans. Its just not top priority. If Job 1 is protecting Herbert, that is IOL first.

If we are moving on from Joey or Mack, Edge is priority. LB is priority. RB is huge priority. CB priority? Lots of bigger needs, thats all,

Of course, they may just decide to go OL first. If thats their call, based on top talent on the board and decision to not add WR (or TE?) - ok by me. Trust in JH2 (JH1, really)

Every time we play the Raiders (Maxx Crosby) or any team with a good pass rush, "shit gushes into our house".
Do we have other needs...? Of course. But if you want to "protect the QB and run the ball"... then RT is a bigger need than you're perceiving. If a quality RB can be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round (or picked up cheaply in FA)... then why are we portraying that need as a 1st round priority? Same goes for Edge, LB, IDL, and CB. Edge and CB could certainly fit into the 1st round priority conversation. But they could also fit into the 3rd round conversation... especially considering a scheme that emphasizes zone coverage and OLB's that can drop into coverage.

Dallas Turner is a versatile edge player that fits well. Quinyan Mitchell and Terrion Arnold are players that are considered very good at zone coverage concepts. I'm open minded about both (all three). But I'm also open minded about OLB and CB prospects in the 3rd round (CB) and OLB (4th round).

I must apologize about being close minded about 3rd and 4th round OT's. They probably wouldn't be any better than the "gushing shit" problem we currently have @RT. Maybe... maybe there is a early 2nd round RT prospect that could solve our sewer problem... but I see some OC's that I like much better (BPA's) in the 2nd round.

[Lone Bolt]

This is fun to watch...guys who want one of the receivers or Bowers, rationalize that we can just coach up the current oline, with maybe some supplementation from cheap, old FAs...

And guys who want to invest in the oline and D in the draft, think our #1 RB and #1 TE can be had day 3...the cornerstones of a Harbaugh type O getting their picks announced by a kindergarden art club standing out on Santa Monica Pier.

I'm not complaining are harping on anybody...probably been guilty of similar arguments myself, lol...just pointing out it's entertaining...

Only for sure thing come draft day, is somebody is going to get their feelings hurt...no doubt Jim and company are gonna have to coach up what they have with some position group...can't effectively improve all the units through the draft and FA...very curious to see which player groups Jim really likes, and thinks he can get more out of...and which ones get an overhaul, or at least an infusion of new talent.

For me...I just can't see using 5 on a WR. No way. And yet, I know that's just my thinking...so it wouldn't shock me if we did just exactly that. Hell...it's Jim Harbaugh. He don't give two shits...it wouldn't shock me even if we took Edge or CB...I'm not inviting debate about that, so ease up...just saying I got a feeling Jim is gonna do what Jim is gonna do...and I have no idea what that is, lol...I don't think I will let myself be shocked by anything he does.

[blueman]

If you have a dripping leak in your faucet, but your toilet burst and is gushing shit into your house, which do you fix first? Pipkins is the drip. Nothing more, and most of us (other than OT) advocates are not huge giant Pip-fans. Its just not top priority. If Job 1 is protecting Herbert, that is IOL first.

If we are moving on from Joey or Mack, Edge is priority. LB is priority. RB is huge priority. CB priority? Lots of bigger needs, thats all,

Of course, they may just decide to go OL first. If thats their call, based on top talent on the board and decision to not add WR (or TE?) - ok by me. Trust in JH2 (JH1, really)

Scheme will help IOL a lot (and a center lol).

Nothing will help Pip’s feet, maybe the most lined up offsides OT in the league, cuz he needs to.

[Boltnut]

This is fun to watch...guys who want one of the receivers or Bowers, rationalize that we can just coach up the current oline, with maybe some supplementation from cheap, old FAs...

And guys who want to invest in the oline and D in the draft, think our #1 RB and #1 TE can be had day 3...the cornerstones of a Harbaugh type O getting their picks announced by a kindergarden art club standing out on Santa Monica Pier.

Is "cornerstone" the new "generational"...? Asking for some friends...
The K.A.C. is now defunct. The duties have been relegated to 2022's Mr. Irrelevant.

There seems to be swirling controversy over Mr. Irrelevant's harsh public decrees in regards to the Puka Nacua Judgement last April. Investigations are on-going.

[sonorajim]

2022 OL ranking: 12. Los Angeles Chargers

Projected Starting Lineup

• LT: Rashawn Slater
• LG: Matt Feiler
• C: Corey Linsley
• RG: Zion Johnson
• RT: Trey Pipkins

The Chargers' exact starting five is still up in the air, as Matt Feiler could move to right tackle. That spot was such a point of contention for Los Angeles' offense last season and had to be completely schemed around. The answer, though, could also be Trey Pipkins, who looked much improved at the end of 2021 after enduring multiple rough starts in his first two NFL seasons. Pipkins allowed only three pressures over 76 pass-blocking snaps in his two starts.

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We moved Johnson to LG, started Salyer at RG, lost key starting C Linsley, plugged in OC Moore for OC Lombo.
Moves made by Staley and the loss of Linsley was the OL problem.They should be avg or better at least with a good C. Roman is head and shoulders better than Lombo or Moore. Likewise Devlin over Nugent. Never mind Harbaugh over Staley.
Our 12th best OL went down the crapper because Pipkins, Johnson and Salyer forgot how to play? I kinda doubt it. They had no leadership IMO.

[charger1_sj]

In 2014 the Bills traded the ninth overall pick and their 2015 first- and fourth-round picks to the Browns for the fourth overall pick so they could select Sammy Watkins.

Last year the Texans traded the 12th overall pick, 33rd overall pick, and this year's first- and third-round picks to the Arizona Cardinals for the third overall pick so they could select Will Anderson.

I would definitely take similar deals to those in a trade down.

That's fine but none of those trades are fleecing anybody. Compare that to the what the 49ers did to get a QB or some other trades for QBs.
It just doesn't compare. That's the point. Not that trading for non QBs doesn't happen of course it does. But the compensation doesn't compare
when compared to trading for top QBs.

[charger1_sj]

I don't think you mention anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Yet, other narratives do exist. En masse.
Suggesting that I must "really, really, really, really, really, really like Joe Alt" can be interpretted a couple different ways:
A) I'm crazy and suggesting no one else could possibly agree with... or
B) My only consideration is Joe Alt @#5.

Neither is remotely accurate. I'm simply showing you this by doing a random google of mocks... most of which have us choosing Alt over a WR or TE. @#5. I've also mentioned numerous times that I prefer a trade-back.

I did a random search and found the exact opposite. Mainly that Nabors was taking before Alt in the mocks I saw and I listed them. There was
one exception and that guy had us taking MH2 not Alt. But he did have Alt going before Nabors. That was the lone exception I saw. And no
I didn't look at CBS, so thank you for that.

[DerwinBosa]

That's fine but none of those trades are fleecing anybody. Compare that to the what the 49ers did to get a QB or some other trades for QBs.
It just doesn't compare. That's the point. Not that trading for non QBs doesn't happen of course it does. But the compensation doesn't compare
when compared to trading for top QBs.

Everyone knows that the team giving the pick up will get more if a quarterback is on the table, but the Bills and Texans gave up a lot themselves. There are more than a few Draft Value Charts out there, but most of them will say the Texans overpaid last year. Some of them will say Houston overpaid substantially. I don't see why that can't happen if someone falls in love with Nabers or Odunze--and definitely if Marvin Harrison is still there at #5.

[powderblueboy]

This is fun to watch...guys who want one of the receivers or Bowers, rationalize that we can just coach up the current oline, with maybe some supplementation from cheap, old FAs...

And guys who want to invest in the oline and D in the draft, think our #1 RB and #1 TE can be had day 3...the cornerstones of a Harbaugh type O getting their picks announced by a kindergarden art club standing out on Santa Monica Pier.

I'm not complaining are harping on anybody...probably been guilty of similar arguments myself, lol...just pointing out it's entertaining...

Only for sure thing come draft day, is somebody is going to get their feelings hurt...no doubt Jim and company are gonna have to coach up what they have with some position group...can't effectively improve all the units through the draft and FA...very curious to see which player groups Jim really likes, and thinks he can get more out of...and which ones get an overhaul, or at least an infusion of new talent.

For me...I just can't see using 5 on a WR. No way. And yet, I know that's just my thinking...so it wouldn't shock me if we did just exactly that. Hell...it's Jim Harbaugh. He don't give two shits...it wouldn't shock me even if we took Edge or CB...I'm not inviting debate about that, so ease up...just saying I got a feeling Jim is gonna do what Jim is gonna do...and I have no idea what that is, lol...I don't think I will let myself be shocked by anything he does.

You mean you are amused at the poor thinking processes of your inferiors.
Good for you!

The argument is that we shouldn't choose an RT at #5 over a better player at a more valuable position.
If we desperately need an RT, there'll be a good one available in the 2nd.

The argument is that taking care of the center position is more important than RT, and that spending your two top picks on Oline is overkill,
given the weaknesses elsewhere.

The argument is that the coaching staff was subpar, as well as the schemes, and that Slater, Zion Johnson and Pip are elite/ good / average,
although they didn't play like it last year ..... so, you have two holes to fill with Salyer being competition with Pip.

No need to panic; but if you want to panic, go ahead.

[DerwinBosa]

This is fun to watch...guys who want one of the receivers or Bowers, rationalize that we can just coach up the current oline, with maybe some supplementation from cheap, old FAs...

And guys who want to invest in the oline and D in the draft, think our #1 RB and #1 TE can be had day 3...the cornerstones of a Harbaugh type O getting their picks announced by a kindergarden art club standing out on Santa Monica Pier.

I'm not complaining are harping on anybody...probably been guilty of similar arguments myself, lol...just pointing out it's entertaining...

Only for sure thing come draft day, is somebody is going to get their feelings hurt...no doubt Jim and company are gonna have to coach up what they have with some position group...can't effectively improve all the units through the draft and FA...very curious to see which player groups Jim really likes, and thinks he can get more out of...and which ones get an overhaul, or at least an infusion of new talent.

For me...I just can't see using 5 on a WR. No way. And yet, I know that's just my thinking...so it wouldn't shock me if we did just exactly that. Hell...it's Jim Harbaugh. He don't give two shits...it wouldn't shock me even if we took Edge or CB...I'm not inviting debate about that, so ease up...just saying I got a feeling Jim is gonna do what Jim is gonna do...and I have no idea what that is, lol...I don't think I will let myself be shocked by anything he does.

Harbaugh has proven he's a big winner. If somebody is going to have his "feelings hurt" because Harbaugh and Hortiz don't pick the player he wants, that person should think about finding a way into the NFL to prove he could do better. No matter who is the pick, I will be more than happy to see him in a Chargers uniform.

[Boltnut]

2022 OL ranking: 12. Los Angeles Chargers

Projected Starting Lineup

• LT: Rashawn Slater
• LG: Matt Feiler
• C: Corey Linsley
• RG: Zion Johnson
• RT: Trey Pipkins

The Chargers' exact starting five is still up in the air, as Matt Feiler could move to right tackle. That spot was such a point of contention for Los Angeles' offense last season and had to be completely schemed around. The answer, though, could also be Trey Pipkins, who looked much improved at the end of 2021 after enduring multiple rough starts in his first two NFL seasons. Pipkins allowed only three pressures over 76 pass-blocking snaps in his two starts.

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We moved Johnson to LG, started Salyer at RG, lost key starting C Linsley, plugged in OC Moore for OC Lombo.
Moves made by Staley and the loss of Linsley was the OL problem.They should be avg or better at least with a good C. Roman is head and shoulders better than Lombo or Moore. Likewise Devlin over Nugent. Never mind Harbaugh over Staley.
Our 12th best OL went down the crapper because Pipkins, Johnson and Salyer forgot how to play? I kinda doubt it. They had no leadership IMO.

Feiler was ultimately released because he "had to be completely schemed around". But now that seems to be the accepted strategy when it comes to Pipkins @RT. TE and RB chips and protection rotations show up regularly here.

Pipkins got a lot of hype for his late-season showings versus Denver and Chiefs. But very few mention that Pipkins went against Denver's 2nd stringers or the Chiefs' Melvin Ingram (by that point a shell of his former self). There is also no mention that he got protection help and/or got replaced by Storm Norton whenever Norton was healthy.

Should we also extend these accolades to Michael Scofield, Storm Norton, and Scott Quessenberry (who filled in for Corey Linsley during the that same Broncos game)...?

Even during Pipkin's 2022 campaign, protection was being rolled his way... rather than rookie 6th round OG (Salyer's) way.
It is what it is. If the new regime thinks they can fix Pipkins... so be it.

"I'll see it when I believe it" -Pat MaHommes-