2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[charger1_sj]

Everyone knows that the team giving the pick up will get more if a quarterback is on the table, but the Bills and Texans gave up a lot themselves. There are more than a few Draft Value Charts out there, but most of them will say the Texans overpaid last year. Some of them will say Houston overpaid substantially. I don't see why that can't happen if someone falls in love with Nabers or Odunze--and definitely if Marvin Harrison is still there at #5.

If one of MH2 or Nabors are there @5 that's who I'm taking. Both these guys are game changers that have to be accounted for.
If you want a good running game then getting one of these guys will go a long ways toward that goal As it turns out any run game
can be stopped by stacking the box. You cannot stack the box when you have MH2 or Nabors on one side and Allen on the other.

No doubt somebody would overpay for MH2. But that's a generational guy. Doesn't happen often like a QB, which seems to be a thing
nowadays.

[Lone Bolt]

You mean you are amused at the poor thinking processes of your inferiors.
Good for you!

The argument is that we shouldn't choose an RT at #5 over a better player at a more valuable position.
If we desperately need an RT, there'll be a good one available in the 2nd.

The argument is that taking care of the center position is more important than RT, and that spending your two top picks on Oline is overkill,
given the weaknesses elsewhere.

The argument is that the coaching staff was subpar, as well as the schemes, and that Slater, Zion Johnson and Pip are elite/ good / average,
although they didn't play like it last year ..... so, you have two holes to fill with Salyer being competition with Pip.

No need to panic; but if you want to panic, go ahead.

What??? It was a fun observation, and I lumped myself in...whats this inferiors shit?

I dont panic...where do you get that out of my post?

Someones triggered...

[SAY OW 55]

With the talk of Allen

does that change draft strategy? Does that mean the Chargers are drafting Nabers Bowers or Oudunzie?

[DerwinBosa]

You mean you are amused at the poor thinking processes of your inferiors.
Good for you!

The argument is that we shouldn't choose an RT at #5 over a better player at a more valuable position.
If we desperately need an RT, there'll be a good one available in the 2nd.

The argument is that taking care of the center position is more important than RT, and that spending your two top picks on Oline is overkill,
given the weaknesses elsewhere.

The argument is that the coaching staff was subpar, as well as the schemes, and that Slater, Zion Johnson and Pip are elite/ good / average,
although they didn't play like it last year ..... so, you have two holes to fill with Salyer being competition with Pip.

No need to panic; but if you want to panic, go ahead.

I don't view wide receiver or tight end as a more valuable position than right tackle, especially with the recent changes to our coaching staff, nor do I believe the "weapons" are better than Alt. You see it differently. That's fine.

How do you know a "good" right tackle will be there in the second round? Recent history has shown that several good-to-great wide receivers get taken after the first round--Deebo Samuel, D.K. Metcalf, our very own Keenan Allen, Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, and the list goes on and on. The same is true for tight ends--I've listed the great ones selected after the first round more than I care to.

Feel free to share with me the good-to-great right tackles who were drafted after the first round. I'm genuinely curious to see if the list is as lengthy as those for wide receivers and tight ends.

[Boltnut]

You mean you are amused at the poor thinking processes of your inferiors.
Good for you!

The argument is that we shouldn't choose an RT at #5 over a better player at a more valuable position.
If we desperately need an RT, there'll be a good one available in the 2nd.

The argument is that taking care of the center position is more important than RT, and that spending your two top picks on Oline is overkill,
given the weaknesses elsewhere.

The argument is that the coaching staff was subpar, as well as the schemes, and that Slater, Zion Johnson and Pip are elite/ good / average,
although they didn't play like it last year ..... so, you have two holes to fill with Salyer being competition with Pip.

No need to panic; but if you want to panic, go ahead.

The argument is... who is indeed the better player and/or more valuable position.

Some say Alt. Some say Nabers. Some say Bowers.
Some say OT. Some say WR. Some say TE.

The better argument is... who helps you protect the franchise QB and run the ball better?
In the end, the HC will have much more influence over the draft than we.
In the end, the coaches will decide the origin of stank.

I think the only thing we all agree upon is the need @OC.
IMO, it makes more sense to address that need in the 2nd round... where you propose we take an allegedly un-needed RT...

[Maniaque 6]

The argument is... who is indeed the better player and/or more valuable position.

Some say Alt. Some say Nabers. Some say Bowers.
Some say OT. Some say WR. Some say TE.

The better argument is... who helps you protect the franchise QB and run the ball better?
In the end, the HC will have much more influence over the draft than we.
In the end, the coaches will decide the origin of stank.

I think the only thing we all agree upon is the need @OC.
IMO, it makes more sense to address that need in the 2nd round... where you propose we take an allegedly un-needed RT...

The Kelce's brothers at their best !
I think it's possible to find that in the 2 first rounds.

[Topcat]

If you have a dripping leak in your faucet, but your toilet burst and is gushing shit into your house, which do you fix first? Pipkins is the drip. Nothing more, and most of us (other than OT) advocates are not huge giant Pip-fans. Its just not top priority. If Job 1 is protecting Herbert, that is IOL first.

If we are moving on from Joey or Mack, Edge is priority. LB is priority. RB is huge priority. CB priority? Lots of bigger needs, thats all,

Of course, they may just decide to go OL first. If thats their call, based on top talent on the board and decision to not add WR (or TE?) - ok by me. Trust in JH2 (JH1, really)

Some games, Pip was a drip...but other games, especially vs. Crosby, the toilet overflowed and made the O-line slip...it may also be that Roman wants a solid run blocker at RT...but we'll see...I still think the best play is to trade down, pick IDL , CB or C between #8-12 or so, then get RT in round 2 or 3...OR sign a FA RT to compete with Trey...then, we'll find out if the Pip drip was just a blip, or if his position we need to flip...then we can turn the Boltanic ship into a blue-chip trip...

[Boltnut]

That's fine but none of those trades are fleecing anybody. Compare that to the what the 49ers did to get a QB or some other trades for QBs.
It just doesn't compare. That's the point. Not that trading for non QBs doesn't happen of course it does. But the compensation doesn't compare
when compared to trading for top QBs.

You're right, teams tend to get fleeced more when trading up for QB's.
So in that regard, we can hope for a coveted QB to fall to #5... then overcharge somebody.

But, as you admit, people trade up for other positions too.
Whether we fleece someone or not, the best way to re-build a team is through trade-back.
This year, a non-fleecing trade-back still allows for a "cornerstone" player @#10-13.
Plus you get an extra (maybe 2) essential players to accelerate your re-build.
It's a no-brainer if you can get an extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th (or combo of each) for trading back 5 to 8 spaces.

I see very little difference (talent-wise) between the #5 and #13 pick in the draft this year.
I see tons of talent in the 2nd-5th rounds this year... depending on position (some positions historically being deeper than others)

[blueman]

Some games, Pip was a drip...but other games, especially vs. Crosby, the toilet overflowed and made the O-line slip...it may also be that Roman wants a solid run blocker at RT...but we'll see...I still think the best play is to trade down, pick IDL , CB or C between #8-12 or so, then get RT in round 2 or 3...OR sign a FART to compete with Trey...then, we'll find out if the Pip drip was just a blip, or if his position we need to flip...then we can turn the Boltanic ship into a blue-chip trip...

That made me chuckle. 🤭

[gzubeck]

You're right, teams tend to get fleeced more when trading up for QB's.
So in that regard, we can hope for a coveted QB to fall to #5... then overcharge somebody.

But, as you admit, people trade up for other positions too.
Whether we fleece someone or not, the best way to re-build a team is through trade-back.
This year, a non-fleecing trade-back still allows for a "cornerstone" player @#10-13.
Plus you get an extra (maybe 2) essential players to accelerate your re-build.
It's a no-brainer if you can get an extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th (or combo of each) for trading back 5 to 8 spaces.

I see very little difference (talent-wise) between the #5 and #13 pick in the draft this year.
I see tons of talent in the 2nd-5th rounds this year... depending on position (some positions historically being deeper than others)

Depends...if 4 QBs are taken in the first 4 picks then that range changes to #8-13. Possibly 4 QBs and 4 Receivers are taken top ten.

Maybe...I don't see trading up with a 1 and 2 pick as fleecing. Not until you get 3 1st round picks is it fleecing.

[Chargers8491]

I did a random search and found the exact opposite. Mainly that Nabors was taking before Alt in the mocks I saw and I listed them. There was
one exception and that guy had us taking MH2 not Alt. But he did have Alt going before Nabors. That was the lone exception I saw. And no
I didn't look at CBS, so thank you for that.

Nobody got fleeced like the Saints did when they moved up to get Ricky Williams. Just saying...

[charger1_sj]

I don't view wide receiver or tight end as a more valuable position than right tackle, especially with the recent changes to our coaching staff, nor do I believe the "weapons" are better than Alt. You see it differently. That's fine.

How do you know a "good" right tackle will be there in the second round? Recent history has shown that several good-to-great wide receivers get taken after the first round--Deebo Samuel, D.K. Metcalf, our very own Keenan Allen, Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, and the list goes on and on. The same is true for tight ends--I've listed the great ones selected after the first round more than I care to.

Feel free to share with me the good-to-great right tackles who were drafted after the first round. I'm genuinely curious to see if the list is as lengthy as those for wide receivers and tight ends.

Lets address this one paragraph at a time. It's not about which position is more valuable. It's about who the better talent is. And yes both MH2 and Nabors are
better weapons than Alt. Alt is a fine player, but he may not even be the best OT out of this class. It's debatable. So yes I see it differently.

We don't know if a good or great RT will be available in round 2. We know there are at least 3 good to great receivers in the top 10. Ditto OTs.

The highest paid RT in the league right now is Jawaan Taylor taken in round 2. Brian O'Neill also paid nicely round 2. Braden Smith Rd. 2. So they are there.
Don't necessarily need to draft in round 1. Now there are quite a few Rd. 1 RT that are or have been great, no question. But also plenty of WRs taken in Rd1.

TEs are more difficult to judge. They are not necessarily used in the same way in college. The requirements for a TE in the NFL is that one should be able to
block and act as a receiver. Difficult to find high productive guys that can excel in both areas straight out of college. Plus it is not deemed a prime position
like an OT or receiver for that matter. So scouts will be more focused on the prime areas and team needs. Those are QBs, Edge, CBs, WRs, OTs.

Whoever we take @5 or trade down is fine with me. We are just spectators making idle talk. After the draft we can argue about what we should or should
not have done. That's just the forum way.