And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[CanadianBoltFan]

NFL Stock Exchange? Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rodgers. OK, do what you want with that. LOL.

Walter Football is one of the oldest mock draft sites. I don't take it seriously at all.

I don't think anyone here believes they know more than Daniel Jeremiah, but he's been out of the NFL since 2012. He's no more of a scout right now than Brandon Staley is a head coach.

Jermeiah is totally respected around the NFL. It is why he is paid alot of money by the NFL network to be their draft guru. I will listen to what he says over posters ona posting board every day.

Not sure why you are laughing at Sikkema and Rodgers. They cover all the events, put in the work and know their shit. They are doing quite well for themselves. Sikkema also on PFF amd Rodgers now getting gigs with NBC. NBC isnt dumb, they know good young talent when they see it.

Are you making money from your football knowledge?

[DerwinBosa]

Are you a professional scout? You know more than the universe? Do tell… which edge rusher will be the best in the NFL?

I like Bowers. I’m not doctrinaire that he is the only worthy pick, I’ve said that a lot. I don’t get the anti-Bowers club though - he is the best TE, by all appearances and data he is better than every TE taken last year that this entire forum salivated over. Chargers are in serious need of an elite TE - elite TEs DO make a difference in wins and losses in the league now. Chargers also need to get tougher, and Bowers plays tougher than TE’s we have had for years. He’s got fight in him, he has the intangible dog in him I want to see the team get more of.

I like Nabers a lot too. He’s got an “it” factor we don’t have in the WR room. Many like Odunze even more. I like em both but think Nabers will be more explosive
I like Alt. I just don’t think he’s the greatest can’t-skip OT some do.

Oh, the game where I ask you to provide evidence of scouts saying he's the best tight end prospect in over a decade after you made that statement, and your reply is, "Are you a professional scout?"

Do you see me making statements that Joe Alt is the best offensive tackle prospect in the last ten years or Jared Verse is not as great of a prospect as Nick Bosa was? No, you don't, because how would I be qualified to write something like that? I'm not.

I watch between two and four college football games every Saturday in the fall. I get interested in prospects who could have a future for the Chargers. I watched nearly every game Michigan and Georgia played this season. I also watched a lot of USC, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, and Ohio State. I wanted to hire Jim Harbaugh about a year before you came to the conclusion that Brandon Staley wasn't the right head coach for this team, so I've taken notice of the way he wins. Thus, I am more interested in an offensive lineman or pass-rusher than anything else in the first round of this draft. If Harbaugh and Hortiz determine there isn't one at those positions they want to draft in the first round, and Bowers is the guy, I'm good with that, because I have more faith in Harbaugh as our head coach than maybe any head coach we have ever had. But I have no way of knowing what Harbaugh and Hortiz are thinking right now. So I'm interested in everyone, some more than others. That's the reason I ask why you and others on this forum state such absolutes as "Joe Alt is not an All-Pro talent," and "Brock Bowers is the best tight end prospect of all time," and "Laiatu Latu is not worth the fifth overall pick." I wonder where you get this from, and then laugh when it comes from the Mel Kipers of the world.

[DerwinBosa]

Jermeiah is totally respected around the NFL. It is why he is paid alot of money by the NFL network to be their draft guru. I will listen to what he says over posters ona posting board every day.

Not sure why you are laughing at Sikkema and Rodgers. They cover all the events, put in the work and know their shit. They are doing quite well for themselves. Sikkema also on PFF amd Rodgers now getting gigs with NBC. NBC isnt dumb, they know good young talent when they see it.

Are you making money from your football knowledge?

Never said I was an NFL scout. Quite the contrary. I'm not making money from my "analysis" because I never put the time in for a career as a draftnik for ESPN, NFL Network (where Mike Mayock was before he failed as a general manager), or the laughable NFL Stock Exchange you seem to be counting as a scouting service. I can't coach a football team as well as Brandon Staley could, either, but that doesn't mean I would want to listen to what he would have to say while analyzing a game I was about to watch. Same goes for what a former scout who hasn't worked in an NFL front office for over a decade says. Yes, Jeremiah knows more than I do about scouting. That doesn't mean he's good at it.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Oh, the game where I ask you to provide evidence of scouts saying he's the best tight end prospect in over a decade after you made that statement, and your reply is, "Are you a professional scout?"

Do you see me making statements that Joe Alt is the best offensive tackle prospect in the last ten years or Jared Verse is not as great of a prospect as Nick Bosa was? No, you don't, because how would I be qualified to write something like that? I'm not.

I watch between two and four college football games every Saturday in the fall. I get interested in prospects who could have a future for the Chargers. I watched nearly every game Michigan and Georgia played this season. I also watched a lot of USC, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, and Ohio State. I wanted to hire Jim Harbaugh about a year before you came to the conclusion that Brandon Staley wasn't the right head coach for this team, so I've taken notice of the way he wins. Thus, I am more interested in an offensive lineman or pass-rusher than anything else in the first round of this draft. If Harbaugh and Hortiz determine there isn't one at those positions they want to draft in the first round, and Bowers is the guy, I'm good with that, because I have more faith in Harbaugh as our head coach than maybe any head coach we have ever had. But I have no way of knowing what Harbaugh and Hortiz are thinking right now. So I'm interested in everyone, some more than others. That's the reason I ask why you and others on this forum state such absolutes as "Joe Alt is not an All-Pro talent," and "Brock Bowers is the best tight end prospect of all time," and "Laiatu Latu is not worth the fifth overall pick." I wonder where you get this from, and then laugh when it comes from the Mel Kipers of the world.

We agree on Harbaugh and Hortiz. They will know what best what to do. We have so many holes trading down would be ideal. If that means no Bowers or Nabers I am fine with that. I havent said Alt will never make a Pro Bowl, he will likley be a good tackle, but there are so many good tackles in this draft, of all positions that is a trade down position. There is no need to use the 5 pick ona right tackle when the draft is loaded at tackle.

TE value is a debate I get it. But other than Bowers this is a very weak class, nothing like last year. It will be interesting to see what Harbaugh does because TE is very important to his offenses and our TE room is one of the worst in the NFL. Some bodies need to be brought in from somewhere.

I dont care about Mel Kiper but I stand by what I said on Jeremiah and the guys at NFL Stock Exchange. The guys are good and a good listen. Up and comers.

[Bolt4Knob]

We have massive holes: RB, TE, OG, OC, CB, IDL, LB, not to mention EDGE and WR if we part ways with all of the big four…so yes, trade down would be wise.

I am a big Brock Bowers fan but after seeing the Chiefs - the Chargers are not one TE away. You list all the holes. I might be open to even trading back to MN - which is 11 - for the right value.

Atlanta - per the trade point chart would be something like 2024 3rd and 4th - maybe even get a 2025 4th - I don't want to match the point chart - I want a bit more

Minnesota: the value is 450 and Minnesota's second is worth 480 but I would even want another pick,

Of the two - I like the Atlanta - still get a top 8 pick and now would have 6 picks in the first four rounds. If they can get something for Bosa --probably be 7 picks

EDIT: One other option with Atlanta is Chargers 1/3 for Atlanta 1/2/4 and if the Chargers trade Bosa or Mack and do get another 3rd - I think I would be okay with adding the third to get Atlanta's 2nd and 4th

[Bolt4Knob]

We agree on Harbaugh and Hortiz. They will know what best what to do. We have so many holes trading down would be ideal. If that means no Bowers or Nabers I am fine with that. I havent said Alt will never make a Pro Bowl, he will likley be a good tackle, but there are so many good tackles in this draft, of all positions that is a trade down position. There is no need to use the 5 pick ona right tackle when the draft is loaded at tackle.

TE value is a debate I get it. But other than Bowers this is a very weak class, nothing like last year. It will be interesting to see what Harbaugh does because TE is very important to his offenses and our TE room is one of the worst in the NFL. Some bodies need to be brought in from somewhere.

I dont care about Mel Kiper but I stand by what I said on Jeremiah and the guys at NFL Stock Exchange. The guys are good and a good listen. Up and comers.

Agreed. It will take a TEAM to beat the Chiefs and Mahomes - the Chargers are not a TE or WR away.

I think the Chargers need to start right at where the ball is snapped; Center, IDL and LB. Enough is enough

[dmac_bolt]

Oh, the game where I ask you to provide evidence of scouts saying he's the best tight end prospect in over a decade after you made that statement, and your reply is, "Are you a professional scout?"

Do you see me making statements that Joe Alt is the best offensive tackle prospect in the last ten years or Jared Verse is not as great of a prospect as Nick Bosa was? No, you don't, because how would I be qualified to write something like that? I'm not.

I watch between two and four college football games every Saturday in the fall. I get interested in prospects who could have a future for the Chargers. I watched nearly every game Michigan and Georgia played this season. I also watched a lot of USC, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, and Ohio State. I wanted to hire Jim Harbaugh about a year before you came to the conclusion that Brandon Staley wasn't the right head coach for this team, so I've taken notice of the way he wins. Thus, I am more interested in an offensive lineman or pass-rusher than anything else in the first round of this draft. If Harbaugh and Hortiz determine there isn't one at those positions they want to draft in the first round, and Bowers is the guy, I'm good with that, because I have more faith in Harbaugh as our head coach than maybe any head coach we have ever had. But I have no way of knowing what Harbaugh and Hortiz are thinking right now. So I'm interested in everyone, some more than others. That's the reason I ask why you and others on this forum state such absolutes as "Joe Alt is not an All-Pro talent," and "Brock Bowers is the best tight end prospect of all time," and "Laiatu Latu is not worth the fifth overall pick." I wonder where you get this from, and then laugh when it comes from the Mel Kipers of the world.

I didnt ask you to provide any evidence. Bowers is generally rated between 4 and 7 on draft expert boards. You said they are all wrong, and I only asked if you’re a scout because you yourself that threw out that credentialist mark of significance of opinion.

Congrats on your Harbaugh call. Cheers. I called for Herbert when this board was firmly against him. We all nail a scalp to the wall here n there, are we both pros now? Lol

Latu is an interesting pick, I’m not sure he’s going to dominate at the pro level. Shorter arms, limited current rush moves, but he’s relentless and powerful - he’s got a chance. Wouldn’t be horrible, if we are getting rid of Bosa and Mack then I’ve said edge is priority actually. As of today, we have two star edge rushers and zero tight ends so I see Bowers adding a lot more to the Charger equation.

I don’t know if Alt will be all pro, he doesn’t look like a dominating OT that some past top 5 OT picks were to me. Jmo. I have said many times I’m ok with picking him, so I’m not the anti-Alt guy you’re looking for.

I have never said its Bowers or Bust - I repeatedly say there are multiple good options and Bowers is just one of the good options

Fuck Mel, he’s a clown - he’s the anti-indicator, the best bet is to do the opposite of whatever he says at all times. I have no idea what he says in this draft.

[beachcomber]

Everett. Seriously?? He is ok at YAC but is a very very average TE with a very MEH career and he doesnt block. He got 400 yards last year. In a 7 year career he has hit 500 yards receiving ONCE. Not that 500 is impressive to begin with

Our TE room was among the worst in the NFL last year. I have higher aspirations for the position than you. So will Harbaugh.

if you or Harbaugh draft Brock @5, you miss out on Fuaga/6 (Zierlein) & Byron Murphy/13 (Zierlein).... not to mention squandering valuable draft capital as Zierlein doesn't have Brock off the board 'til 15, and....

don't know 'bout you, but really don't like the looks of the RTs @37.... (also like Fuaga over the either of Alt or Fashanu),

[powderblueboy]

Jermeiah is totally respected around the NFL. It is why he is paid alot of money by the NFL network to be their draft guru. I will listen to what he says over posters ona posting board every day.

Not sure why you are laughing at Sikkema and Rodgers. They cover all the events, put in the work and know their shit. They are doing quite well for themselves. Sikkema also on PFF amd Rodgers now getting gigs with NBC. NBC isnt dumb, they know good young talent when they see it.

Are you making money from your football knowledge?

You can do that, I won't.

Jeremiah can be way off: remember that OT from Austria he touted as a 1rst rounder a few years ago?
Since he can be wrong, push back is warranted. It doesn't mean that people here consider themselves as scouts, which requires a considerable amount of training.

Respect people's professional training, but reasonable questions about their judgement is always warranted.

You never got a 2nd opinion on a doctors advice?

[Chargers8491]

if you or Harbaugh draft Brock @5, you miss out on Fuaga/6 (Zierlein) & Byron Murphy/13 (Zierlein).... not to mention squandering valuable draft capital as Zierlein doesn't have Brock off the board 'til 15, and....

don't know 'bout you, but really don't like the looks of the RTs @37.... (also like Fuaga over the either of Alt or Fashanu),

Just about every draft board has Bowers rated higher than Fuaga or Murphy.

[Bolt4Knob]

Just about every draft board has Bowers rated higher than Fuaga or Murphy.

Allbright had the Chargers picking Mims from GA - the RT

If thats the case - trade back - if there is the option. Atlanta and MN. I think picking Fuaga or Murphy at 5 seems very high. Where Bowers or Nabers - feels right

[Chargers8491]

Allbright had the Chargers picking Mims from GA - the RT

If thats the case - trade back - if there is the option. Atlanta and MN. I think picking Fuaga or Murphy at 5 seems very high. Where Bowers or Nabers - feels right

Yea not opposed to trade backs and picking up either one but agreed #5 seems way to high for either Fuaga or Murphy.

Honestly, not sure how people can decide which Oline player is best when we dont know:

1) What the current thinks of the current players (Bad players vs bad coaching/schemes).

2) Have no idea what kind of Oline blocking scheme the current staff is going to run.