And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[powderblueboy]

Joel Klatt, with years of focus on the college game, has a handle on how Jim Harbaugh likes to use weapons, RBs, WRs and TEs.

He says it is going to be Brock Bowers @ #5 exclamation point period...

It seems Jim loves to have options-outlets-creating conflict for defenders, which slows down their reads.

Our WRs must now block, remember ?

KA/BB..."Two Man Game" ... so many, many options ... coming soon.

It's irrefutable.
It's undeniable.
It's multiple Super Bowl Championships.

I've read that that is not Nabors forte .... blocking.

[wu-dai clan]

I've read that that is not Nabors forte .... blocking.

My train of thought too Sir.

[Bolt4Knob]

WR Roman Wilson 48/789
WR Cornelius Johnson 47/604
TE Colston Loveland 45/649
RB Blake Corum 258/1245/4.8

"Everybody eats" -Jim Harbaugh-
Exclamation point. Period.

It doesn't have to be star-studded... it just needs to be balanced. Everybody must do their job.
Now... about that defense............

Are you thinking the Chargers get all four of the above players or are those just players you are targeting?

there are a couple RBs mentioned that I think might be better targets than Corum - Allen and Wright

[powderblueboy]

WR Roman Wilson 48/789
WR Cornelius Johnson 47/604
TE Colston Loveland 45/649
RB Blake Corum 258/1245/4.8

"Everybody eats" -Jim Harbaugh-
Exclamation point. Period.

It doesn't have to be star-studded... it just needs to be balanced. Everybody must do their job.
Now... about that defense............

Looked back at his 49er offenses: top 3 pass catchers.

2011: Crabtree (WR): 72, 12.1 ypc
v. Davis (TE): 67, 11.8 ypc
K Williams (WR), 20, 10.1 ypc

2012: Crabtree (WR): 85, 13.0 ypc
V. Davis (TE): 41, 13.4 ypc
M. Manningham (WR): 42, 10.7 ypc

* Randy Moss: 28 receptions, 15.0 ypc

2013: A. Bolden (WR): 85, 13.9 ypc
V. Davis (TE): 52, 16.3 ypc
B. Miller (RB): 25 9.6 ypc

* Crabtree injured, played only 5 games


2014: A. Bolden (WR): 83, 12.8 ypc
M. Crabtree (WR); 68, 10.3 ypc
S. Johnson (WR): 35, 12.4 ypc
V. Davis (TE): 26, 9.4 ypc

[powderblueboy]

"Joel Klatt, with years of focus on the college game, has a handle on how Jim Harbaugh likes to use weapons, RBs, WRs and TEs.

He says it is going to be Brock Bowers @ #5 exclamation point period..."

If Crabtree didn't get injured in 2013,
V. Davis probably would have declined in receptions each year into Harbaugh's tenure.

Not a lot of targets for runningbacks.

[Boltjolt]

Are you thinking the Chargers get all four of the above players or are those just players you are targeting?

there are a couple RBs mentioned that I think might be better targets than Corum - Allen and Wright

Loveland isnt draft elligible and Johnson is a late round prospect which id hope we get a reciever sooner in this dep class. I wouldnt mind Roman Wilson and Corum is OK, wouldnt mind him either but i like other RBs better.

[Boltnut]

Are you thinking the Chargers get all four of the above players or are those just players you are targeting?

there are a couple RBs mentioned that I think might be better targets than Corum - Allen and Wright

No. As BoltJolt pointed out, Loveland is not draft eligible. My point is that none of these guys are elite... but they all play a role in a very balanced offense. KA and JH are the biggest stars/talent Harbaugh's ever had on offense. He said he likes the receivers he has. We will run the ball better/more... I'm not sure he needs to add an elite TE to his offense. In fact (considering the balanced approach) the #5 might be better used.

Harbaugh had #7 with the 49ers and went with pass rusher (Aldon). Hortiz had #6 with the Ravens and went with OT (Stanley). Those are premium positions. Mostly, that's what sound football minds do at @#5. Or they trade back if they can find a partner... especially if they have holes all along their roster. We have holes all along our roster.

Will I be pissed if we spend #5 on Bowers...? No. I just don't think it happens. IMO, there are 2 ways this can go... 2 QB's gone by #5... or 3 QB's gone by #5.

2 QB's scenario: A couple teams (Atlanta and Minnesota) will compete to trade into the #5 spot for that 3rd QB.
3 QB's scenario: A couple teams (Titans and Jets) will be competing for a complete LT (Alt) @the #5 spot.

IMO, the trade-back is the best way to address all of the current needs on our roster. A lot of good prospects @IDL, LB, RB, TE, Edge in the 3rd round. Some people are suggesting that the 3rd round is JAGS-only. I am not one of those guys.

[Boltjolt]

No. As BoltJolt pointed out, Loveland is not draft eligible. My point is that none of these guys are elite... but they all play a role in a very balanced offense. KA and JH are the biggest stars/talent Harbaugh's ever had on offense. He said he likes the receivers he has. We will run the ball better/more... I'm not sure he needs to add an elite TE to his offense. In fact (considering the balanced approach) the #5 might be better used.

Harbaugh had #7 with the 49ers and went with pass rusher (Aldon). Hortiz had #6 with the Ravens and went with OT (Stanley). Those are premium positions. Mostly, that's what sound football minds do at @#5. Or they trade back if they can find a partner... especially if they have holes all along their roster. We have holes all along our roster.

Will I be pissed if we spend #5 on Bowers...? No. I just don't think it happens. IMO, there are 2 ways this can go... 2 QB's gone by #5... or 3 QB's gone by #5.

2 QB's scenario: A couple teams (Atlanta and Minnesota) will compete to trade into the #5 spot for that 3rd QB.
3 QB's scenario: A couple teams (Titans and Jets) will be competing for a complete LT (Alt) @the #5 spot.

IMO, the trade-back is the best way to address all of the current needs on our roster. A lot of good prospects @IDL, LB, RB, TE, Edge in the 3rd round. Some people are suggesting that the 3rd round is JAGS-only. I am not one of those guys.

Ill agree, we dont NEED to have an elite TE but Harbaugh did try hard to recruit him so it isnt like he doesnt hate the idea either. Id bet he would love to have him.

Sure we need to fix our OL in a couple spots and the DL and LB and they will do their best but giving Herbert all he needs will include TE and recievers and RB.

We are ok at WR keeping Keenan but this class is too deep to ignore it like Telesco always does in a dep class.. Need to fill in the rest and im not against signing a TE, just not Everett.

I wouldnt mind Noah Fant. He is 26, played for Carroll who ran the ball and his numbers took a little hit from that.
Maybe 3 years, 11-13 mil. Better than Paying that to Everett. If we do that and draft Bowers....Wowza.
If we do that and draft Sinnott...cool. Sinnot would allow a bigger trade down by passing Bowers.

If we sign Fant to 1 year, 4 mil and draft either of the two i mentioned, cool....then draft Loveland in 2025. Options options, options.

Im not against something like that, just think BB is in play for us big time with Harbaugh.

[gzubeck]

Everyone's talking about trade down but who really has draft capital to do that this year. I don't really think we need draft picks for next year so hear are Draft capital power rankings in the link below.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

[blueman]

Everyone's talking about trade down but who really has draft capital to do that this year. I don't really think we need draft picks for next year so hear are Draft capital power rankings in the link below.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

Yeah, we mostly all want a trade down, but it just may not happen.

[beachcomber]

warming a bit to a receiver later in the process....

consensus on Brenden Rice is that we might be able to get him @69, and that he's likely off the board @106.... one of his compares is George Pickens ??

McCaffrey would likely cost us our pick @139, and w/a compare of Puka Nacua ?? !!

there are some others that might be tempting, but reticent to use 37 on a wideout, even if we have extra picks there, and....

not really keen on spending a third on Rice neither, so would prolly lean McCaffrey if we did go wideout day three ??

[Chargers8491]

Everyone's talking about trade down but who really has draft capital to do that this year. I don't really think we need draft picks for next year so hear are Draft capital power rankings in the link below.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

Giants have 2 2nd rnd picks and Falcons have 2 3rd rnd picks.

Giants could move up 1 spot for a WR or QB. WR is their #1 need but that is if you believe Jones is the answer. If not then QB would be their #1 need. I would take this years 2nd and next years 3rd.

I deal scenario would be Giants move up 1 pick to get their WR and then trade back again with the Falcons. Falcons moving up for a QB. I would trade their next years 2nd and this years 3rd and 4th.

That would give the Chargers 2 2nds, 2 3rds, and 2 4ths this year, and 2 2nds and 2 3rds next year. Chargers could trade back in 2nd and 3rd to pick more picks if they want.

I think it's important to note that next year's QB class is not supposed to be very good.