And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

I understand the talk from the organization that they want to compete this year, but it's a two year rebuild. They hopefully won't be garbage this year, but they need upgrades at C, RB, TE, RT, LB, FS for this year (assuming neither OG spot is a dumpster fire). Edge, IDL, and WR will need some help in coming years depending on cuts.

That's just too much for 1 year with not much cap money.

I hope they are planning on building better this year and really competing the year after. That way they don't have to feel pressure to fill every hole with a long term answer and find some cheaper stop gap options in FA.

I agree. If they are better in 2024 like the Texans, thats a bonus. But build for 2025-2028. Don't get too crazy in free agency unless its the right player for the next three years. Meabning, don't too many Kendricks deals where you probably have dead cap in a year on a declining player. Just give them a one year deal. Unless its for the right player for 3-4 years

[SK21209]

One of the charger podcast guys said that Hortiz hasn't had a top 5 pick in Baltimore in the last two decades, he's accustomed to getting great players in the 20-28 range every year, so yeah, it makes sense to let him work the draft to get the most 'value' out of that #5 pick, I'd rather have a guy like Hortiz have 2-3 at bats than just the one with the #5, that's TT type shit, this guy will get more out of that pick, I know he will...

Conversely, since Baltimore never picked this high during Hortiz's tenure maybe we shouldn't expect a trade down because there's not really precedent for it. Maybe its more likely that #37 is the pick he tries to trade. I think there's going to be a run on receivers again near the end of the first round/top of the second round, so maybe we stay at #5 and trade down from #37 to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.

One other thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned much; NIL and the tail-end of extended covid eligibility has weakened the talent available on Day 3 of this year's draft. So I'm not sure this is the draft in which you want to be accumulating as many picks as possible. Maybe this draft is about getting one or two more cornerstone pieces (because right now we only have Herbert, Slater, probably Derwin and...that's it?) and next year we trade out of the first round to and use draft capital/cap space to plug in the remaining holes and build depth.

Basically, I don't like the idea of passing up on legit blue-chippers like Odunze or Bowers or Arnold because we think we need to find starters at multiple positions right now. We're in Stage 1 of the rebuild and Stage 1 is about solidifying the handful of cornerstone guys you're going to build around. From there you start plugging in starters around them. We already have a great young LT in Slater and two young players in Salyer and Zion that I think still have promise. You can patch up the O-Line with vets in free agency and see if the new coaching staff makes a difference with Salyer and Zion. If they just don't have it, draft O-Line early next year. FS can and should be addressed in free agency. Same with depth at EDGE.

[Boltjolt]

I was thinking you would have to get them our #2 pick at #37 to get that deal. Hell, yes that would be stealing from them without giving them our second rounder. Maybe give them our third rounder would be somewhat fair. It would solve some of our RB problems.

I aint giving them anything or no deal. Im thinking WE should get another pick. If we traded picks, 5 for 8 we should get a second and 3rd or both their 3rds....or more idk for sure. But just getting Bijan and their 8 is a gimme. Send me another pick.

[beachcomber]

Conversely, since Baltimore never picked this high during Hortiz's tenure maybe we shouldn't expect a trade down because there's not really precedent for it. Maybe its more likely that #37 is the pick he tries to trade. I think there's going to be a run on receivers again near the end of the first round/top of the second round, so maybe we stay at #5 and trade down from #37 to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.

One other thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned much; NIL and the tail-end of extended covid eligibility has weakened the talent available on Day 3 of this year's draft. So I'm not sure this is the draft in which you want to be accumulating as many picks as possible. Maybe this draft is about getting one or two more cornerstone pieces (because right now we only have Herbert, Slater, probably Derwin and...that's it?) and next year we trade out of the first round to and use draft capital/cap space to plug in the remaining holes and build depth.

Basically, I don't like the idea of passing up on legit blue-chippers like Odunze or Bowers or Arnold because we think we need to find starters at multiple positions right now. We're in Stage 1 of the rebuild and Stage 1 is about solidifying the handful of cornerstone guys you're going to build around. From there you start plugging in starters around them. We already have a great young LT in Slater and two young players in Salyer and Zion that I think still have promise. You can patch up the O-Line with vets in free agency and see if the new coaching staff makes a difference with Salyer and Zion. If they just don't have it, draft O-Line early next year. FS can and should be addressed in free agency. Same with depth at EDGE.

think that day two is thick w/it, and that if you trade down, you're accumulating picks more so for day two than three, and as the picks we already have day three should be sufficient to take care of our biz there ??

[gzubeck]

I aint giving them anything or no deal. Im thinking WE should get another pick. If we traded picks, 5 for 8 we should get a second and 3rd or both their 3rds....or more idk for sure. But just getting Bijan and their 8 is a gimme. Send me another pick.

Bijan is a top RB...we can still get another top player at #8 pick. I'd do this deal any day of the week for a player of high repute (1st rounder) and we still get a bluechip at #8. Regardless of passing up on Nabers there are other very good receivers in this draft.

[21&500]

I aint giving them anything or no deal. Im thinking WE should get another pick. If we traded picks, 5 for 8 we should get a second and 3rd or both their 3rds....or more idk for sure. But just getting Bijan and their 8 is a gimme. Send me another pick.

How do you figure?
shrewd is one thing, but we're talking going down 3 spots down to gain last year's, "generational talent at rb"
Same guy still on your mock!
if we accidentally won our last game, we'd at least be picking 8th, so we're basically playing with house money.

[Boltjolt]

Bijan is a top RB...we can still get another top player at #8 pick. I'd do this deal any day of the week for a player of high repute (1st rounder) and we still get a bluechip at #8. Regardless of passing up on Nabers there are other very good receivers in this draft.

Yet they are willing to trade him fr a QB....or somebody is anyways. Didnt catch who it was. And yes, there are some good recievers in later rounds. Id be happy with 4 or 5 others.

[21&500]

Conversely, since Baltimore never picked this high during Hortiz's tenure maybe we shouldn't expect a trade down because there's not really precedent for it. Maybe its more likely that #37 is the pick he tries to trade. I think there's going to be a run on receivers again near the end of the first round/top of the second round, so maybe we stay at #5 and trade down from #37 to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.

One other thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned much; NIL and the tail-end of extended covid eligibility has weakened the talent available on Day 3 of this year's draft. So I'm not sure this is the draft in which you want to be accumulating as many picks as possible. Maybe this draft is about getting one or two more cornerstone pieces (because right now we only have Herbert, Slater, probably Derwin and...that's it?) and next year we trade out of the first round to and use draft capital/cap space to plug in the remaining holes and build depth.

Basically, I don't like the idea of passing up on legit blue-chippers like Odunze or Bowers or Arnold because we think we need to find starters at multiple positions right now. We're in Stage 1 of the rebuild and Stage 1 is about solidifying the handful of cornerstone guys you're going to build around. From there you start plugging in starters around them. We already have a great young LT in Slater and two young players in Salyer and Zion that I think still have promise. You can patch up the O-Line with vets in free agency and see if the new coaching staff makes a difference with Salyer and Zion. If they just don't have it, draft O-Line early next year. FS can and should be addressed in free agency. Same with depth at EDGE.

Good point.
maybe more value to trade for 2025 day 2 picks.

[gzubeck]

Yet they are willing to trade him fr a QB.

They Need a QB which ranks higher than RB. This is why trades are done and they benefit both teams tremendously.

[Boltjolt]

How do you figure?
shrewd is one thing, but we're talking going down 3 spots down to gain last year's, "generational talent at rb"
Same guy still on your mock!
if we accidentally won our last game, we'd at least be picking 8th, so we're basically playing with house money.

Who called him that? lol. That gets thrown around way to much. Some need to look up the word generational. And again, if they are willing to trade him to get a QB, they may give one of their 3rds as well. Maybe i swap 4ths with them so they can draft a few spots closer.

[gzubeck]

Who called him that? lol. That gets thrown around way to much. Some need to look up the word generational. And again, if they are willing to trade him to get a QB, they may give one of their 3rds as well.

As a proponent of draft rape I applaud your thought process...but if it scuttles a fair trade (Bijan as a gift to us) were only shooting ourselves in the foot.

[21&500]

Who called him that? lol. That gets thrown around way to much. Some need to look up the word generational. And again, if they are willing to trade him to get a QB, they may give one of their 3rds as well. Maybe i swap 4ths with them so they can draft a few spots closer.

Haha
true.

Hey if you think we can get more, great, I'm satisfied with just Bijan.