And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Kellyb72601]

I don't doubt QJs work ethic. He's strong as an ox with a long build. Guys at 6'3 & long legs squatting 500+ lbs don't get that way without a good work ethic

If anything he probably takes the game too seriously and can't get out of his own head.

[richpjr]

I don't doubt QJs work ethic. He's strong as an ox with a long build. Guys at 6'3 & long legs squatting 500+ lbs don't get that way without a good work ethic

If anything he probably takes the game too seriously and can't get out of his own head.

if anyone can unlock his potential and get him in the right mental state, it is Harbaugh.

[Parcells]

There are some videos of him working out pretty hard during the offseason. I'm not worried about QJ he will be fine.

The only way I could say I’m not worried about QJ is once we’ve simply written him off much like we had Jerry Tilley by his fourth season before he was cut. After QJ’s rookie season, there was very little to be optimistic about. Based on his play in his rookie season, I don’t think any team would have been happy taking him before the third round. Even if he’s a gym rat, that doesn’t mean he is a talented WR. And if you’re telling me that he has a great work ethic that will make him a great WR, then what was the excuse for his poor showing last season? It’s not like he had some major injury limiting his time. The only excuse I could buy would bad coaching and that a new coaching staff will get more out of him.

I’m a die hard Chargers fan, so I want him to be good. I just don’t see much to be optimistic about. He has below average hands, he consistently fails to beat man coverage, and he isn’t a good route runner. Sadly, if he were a stock I’d be shorting it big time. Put another way, I’d be ecstatic if we could get a second rounder for him right now.

[Chargers8491]

The only way I could say I’m not worried about QJ is once we’ve simply written him off much like we had Jerry Tilley by his fourth season before he was cut. After QJ’s rookie season, there was very little to be optimistic about. Based on his play in his rookie season, I don’t think any team would have been happy taking him before the third round. Even if he’s a gym rat, that doesn’t mean he is a talented WR. And if you’re telling me that he has a great work ethic that will make him a great WR, then what was the excuse for his poor showing last season? It’s not like he had some major injury limiting his time. The only excuse I could buy would bad coaching and that a new coaching staff will get more out of him.

I’m a die hard Chargers fan, so I want him to be good. I just don’t see much to be optimistic about. He has below average hands, he consistently fails to beat man coverage, and he isn’t a good route runner. Sadly, if he were a stock I’d be shorting it big time. Put another way, I’d be ecstatic if we could get a second rounder for him right now.

QJ was used incorrectly last year. Like I said he will fine, and I'm not worried about him at all.

[Maniaque 6]

QJ was used incorrectly last year. Like I said he will fine, and I'm not worried about him at all.

Finally, sensible reasoning about QJ !

[Parcells]

How would you like to use him? Because right now, he’s not a guy that can line up and consistently beat man to man single coverage. If the answer is jet sweeps and screens, then he’s a gadget player and someone definitely not worth a first round pick. You want him used in underneath routes because we know he’s not a good deep ball receiver or route runner, then you’re gonna need a stud who can stretch defenses and we definitely don’t have that player on our roster. If we get MHJ or Nabers, I’d like QJ’s chances a little more.

Numerous decent receivers in NFL history were elevated by playing opposite a Hall of Fame receiver and with a Hall of Fame QB. The two that come to mind are John Taylor who played opposite Jerry Rice and had Montana then Young, and Alvin Harper who played opposite Michael Irvin and had Aikman throwing to him. Taylor never left the 49ers, and Harper flopped when he went to Tampa.

[Boltjolt]

Not only do I want extra compensation, I don’t want to pay Bowers #5 overall money. He’s a more valuable asset if we’re paying him as the 11th-14th pick than the #5 pick.

Look at Pitts. His production hasn’t justified the #4 overall pick. But compared to Chase who is on the cheaper contract, Chase is probably worth $15-25 million a year more than Pitts has been worth through three years.

When you look at the Chiefs, a big part of what makes them great is that a number of players are worth less than their contracts: Mahomes, Kelce, Karloftis, McDuffie, Rice, and Humphrey are a few that come to mind.

As great as Kelce is, Rashee Rice is better value relative to his contract. Kelce might command $20 million AAV whereas Rice would get $15 million AAV. When you look at their actual contracts, Rice is worth more relative to his actual contract.

I completely understand that.

But we are talking about money. If he is a missing piece to the offense and a great fit....what do i care where he was picked? Point is we have him. Not my money. If we pick him @ 5 and he is great, will anyone here care? It will only matter if he isnt great from day one that posters will complain. If we get him at 11 and is he isnt Kelce from day one....i guess some will say well gee, im glad we got him at 11 instead of 5. If he is great no one will say anything.

The only difference will be his contract. 32 mil @ 5, 19-20 mil @ 11.....something like that....and of course getting an extra pick or two. Ill still say id rather get him in a trade down and get picks but at 11, he may not be there and if he is a target, then you lose and forced to go elsewhere,..which is fine, still great players there. If he isnt the target then where he goes is irrelevent to me...but i think he possibly will go 10..... or 12 if Denver cant work out a trade up...which i doubt they will. Then we face him twice a year, which would suck and Payton...im not much of a fan of his but he is creative with players.

If we get him at 11..great! Or @ 5...... If we draft WRs in round 3 and 4 then we go from over 40+ mil for two WRs to a cheap group as a whole.

If we win a SB, or hell yes 2 SBs in that period, who is going to give a shit where he was drafted if he was a key player in that?

[Chargers8491]

How would you like to use him? Because right now, he’s not a guy that can line up and consistently beat man to man single coverage. If the answer is jet sweeps and screens, then he’s a gadget player and someone definitely not worth a first round pick. You want him used in underneath routes because we know he’s not a good deep ball receiver or route runner, then you’re gonna need a stud who can stretch defenses and we definitely don’t have that player on our roster. If we get MHJ or Nabers, I’d like QJ’s chances a little more.

Numerous decent receivers in NFL history were elevated by playing opposite a Hall of Fame receiver and with a Hall of Fame QB. The two that come to mind are John Taylor who played opposite Jerry Rice and had Montana then Young, and Alvin Harper who played opposite Michael Irvin and had Aikman throwing to him. Taylor never left the 49ers, and Harper flopped when he went to Tampa.

When they drafted QJ last year MW and KA were on the team, he has a different skill set then those 2. He complimented them. When MW went down, they tried to make QJ into MW 2.0, which is not his skill set. This draft is loaded with WR's that would fit this system and compliment QJ which is why I'm not worried about it.

[Chargers8491]

I completely understand that. But we are talking about money. If he is a missing piece to the offense and a great fit....what do i care where he was picked? Point is we have him. Not my money. If we pick him @ 5 and he is great, will anyone here care? It will only matter if he isnt great from day one that posters will complain. If we get him at 11 and is he isnt Kelce from day one....i guess some will say well gee, im glad we got him at 11 instead of 5. If he is great no one will say anything.

The only difference will be his contract. 32 mil @ 5, 19-20 mil @ 11.....something like that....and of course getting an extra pick or two. Ill still say id rather get him in a trade down and get picks but at 11, he may not be there and if he is a target, then you lose and forced to go elsewhere. If he isnt the target then where he goes is irrelevent to me...but i think he possibly will go 10..... or 12 if Denver cant work out a trade up...which i doubt they will. Then we face him twice a year, which would suck and Payton...im not much of a fan of his but he is creative with players.

If we get him at 11..great! Or @ 5...... If we draft WRs in round 3 and 4 then we go from over 40+ mil for two WRs to a cheap group as a whole.

I agree, this offense would look much better with current WR group, Bowers, and WR later rnds vs current WR group, Top 3 WR, and TE in later rnds, IMHO.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I agree, this offense would look much better with current WR group, Bowers, and WR later rnds vs current WR group, Top 3 WR, and TE in later rnds, IMHO.

They've signed Hurst and Dissly, but these guys are NOT long range answers, so the team would be well-served to draft a guy like Ben Sinnott, and develop him.

[eaterfan]

I completely understand that. But we are talking about money. If he is a missing piece to the offense and a great fit....what do i care where he was picked? Point is we have him. Not my money. If we pick him @ 5 and he is great, will anyone here care? It will only matter if he isnt great from day one that posters will complain. If we get him at 11 and is he isnt Kelce from day one....i guess some will say well gee, im glad we got him at 11 instead of 5. If he is great no one will say anything.

The only difference will be his contract. 32 mil @ 5, 19-20 mil @ 11.....something like that....and of course getting an extra pick or two. Ill still say id rather get him in a trade down and get picks but at 11, he may not be there and if he is a target, then you lose and forced to go elsewhere,..which is fine, still great players there. If he isnt the target then where he goes is irrelevent to me...but i think he possibly will go 10..... or 12 if Denver cant work out a trade up...which i doubt they will. Then we face him twice a year, which would suck and Payton...im not much of a fan of his but he is creative with players.

If we get him at 11..great! Or @ 5...... If we draft WRs in round 3 and 4 then we go from over 40+ mil for two WRs to a cheap group as a whole.

Because this is a league with a salary cap. How money is spent matters.

There are 3 ways of acquiring talent: drafting, signing in FA, and trading. The team has to acquire enough talent to win. This team will have holes to fill in FA, it's cheaper to fill a hole at TE than WR in FA.

Why do I care if I spend my free meal coupon at Flemming's on a hamburger if it's a really good hamburger? There are lots of really good burgers out there for cheap. I can go to In N Out and get something great for under $10. But even if I decide that I want a higher quality burger I can get get that burger at Flemmings for $30.00. I could have used the coupon on the ribeye for $70 bucks. I have to eat tomorrow and now if I need a steak I spend $70 instead of $0 on it or I go to Outback and get a steak that is a much lower percentile of quality than the In N Out burger and way more expensive to boot. I would have had a much better week spending $30 on a Flemming's burger and eating a free Flemming's steak than eating a free Flemming's burger and a $30 Outback steak. I spent the same $30.

[eaterfan]

I agree, this offense would look much better with current WR group, Bowers, and WR later rnds vs current WR group, Top 3 WR, and TE in later rnds, IMHO.

This year... What about next year when we can sign better FA TEs or draft a slightly lower rated, but still decent TE in round 2? Kyle Pitts or Pat Friermuth and Nabers looks a lot better to me than Bowers and Zay Jones or Hunter Renfro.