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  • Panamamike
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    • Jun 2013
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    Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post
    Chargers are consistently one of the worst run defenses in the league and have not had a legit NT since Jamal Williams which was more than a decade ago.

    I don't see the problem with getting a guy if he's a "sure thing" at stopping the run. Look at the AFC Championship game and see how many rushing yards the Patriots got on with nobodies at RB because that's how bad we are at stopping the run.
    Look how many passes to RBs we gave up. White had 8 alone on the first two scoring drives. Bigger concern IMO. I think White helps a lot with that this year fwiw.

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    • Panamamike
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      Originally posted by beachcomber View Post

      the ugly truth....

      our run D wasn't so hot without Denzel, and on our lone run to the SB, our run D was near impenetrable.

      we went to the SB w/Stan Humphries throwing to some wideouts that were well short of Keenan Allen caliber.

      spending draft capital and FA monies on wideouts like Mike and TB in front of fortifying the lines is our achilles heel/albatross and needs to change.

      Davis and if perhaps Suh are both front seven guys which is good direction.

      hopefully we will get at least one or two lineman day one/two from the draft.

      we need a NT and Mebane's stats show that our D is better when he is on the bench.... Shelton can defend the run and pressure the QB.
      apples to oranges. The game, league and rules are much different than almost 30 years ago. Not saying we don't need to improve there, but comparing today's NFL to 30 years ago is ridiculous.

      And if Shelton was all that u claim, he wouldn't be looking for his 3rd employer heading into year 5 of his career as a former first rd pick.

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      • like54ninjas
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        Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

        Look how many passes to RBs we gave up. White had 8 alone on the first two scoring drives. Bigger concern IMO. I think White helps a lot with that this year fwiw.
        Kyzir's ability to cover TEs & RBs is a huge assest. He and Derwin on the field together challenge/eliminate many teams inside offensive weapons.

        We got older but more athletic as a LB group than we were last year w/Davis agreeing to sign today.
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        • Panamamike
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          Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

          Kyzir's ability to cover TEs & RBs is a huge assest. He and Derwin on the field together challenge/eliminate many teams inside offensive weapons.

          We got older but more athletic as a LB group than we were last year w/Davis agreeing to sign today.
          Agreed.

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          • beachcomber
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            Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

            Cluster considerations off your list for #28.....

            FS - Thornhill, Adderley
            OT - Risner, Williams, Dillard
            DT - Simmons, Wilkins
            LB - Mack
            ER - Sweat, Burns
            TE - Fant
            I see what you did there....

            was just talking to a Green Bay fan friend of mine who said he doesn't trust Clemson players.... doesn't know what they're "taking ?"

            and guess you like Thornhill over Adderly ??

            and willing to give Risner the benefit of the doubt if you/our FO is good w/him....

            not so much w/Burns, Sweat and/or Mack.
            ED Matayo Uiagalelei, CB Domani Jackson,​​ OG Earnest Greene III,​ DT Dontay Corleone, OC Iapani Laloulu, WR J Michael Sturdivant, LB Eric Gentry
            ED Malcom Koonce, LB Isaiah Simmons, TE Cade Otton, RB Kyren Williams, QB Gardner Minshew, TE Jelani Woods,​ P Matt Araiza

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            • beachcomber
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              Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

              apples to oranges. The game, league and rules are much different than almost 30 years ago. Not saying we don't need to improve there, but comparing today's NFL to 30 years ago is ridiculous.

              And if Shelton was all that u claim, he wouldn't be looking for his 3rd employer heading into year 5 of his career as a former first rd pick.
              can't speak to Shelton other than I like what he brings to the (Carson) Chargers, and....

              in no way is it apples to oranges.... it has been shown that marquis wideouts don't equate to SBs, and that great defenses regularly carry QBs to wins in the SB.
              ED Matayo Uiagalelei, CB Domani Jackson,​​ OG Earnest Greene III,​ DT Dontay Corleone, OC Iapani Laloulu, WR J Michael Sturdivant, LB Eric Gentry
              ED Malcom Koonce, LB Isaiah Simmons, TE Cade Otton, RB Kyren Williams, QB Gardner Minshew, TE Jelani Woods,​ P Matt Araiza

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              • like54ninjas
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                Originally posted by beachcomber View Post

                can't speak to Shelton other than I like what he brings to the (Carson) Chargers, and....

                in no way is it apples to oranges.... it has been shown that marquis wideouts don't equate to SBs, and that great defenses regularly carry QBs to wins in the SB.
                Definitely believe in building defense over diva WRs.
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                • Boltjolt
                  Dont let the PBs fool ya
                  • Jun 2013
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                  Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post
                  Chargers are consistently one of the worst run defenses in the league and have not had a legit NT since Jamal Williams which was more than a decade ago.

                  I don't see the problem with getting a guy if he's a "sure thing" at stopping the run. Look at the AFC Championship game and see how many rushing yards the Patriots got on with nobodies at RB because that's how bad we are at stopping the run.
                  We weren't that bad against the run this year as opposed to last year. Think we were 9th and gave up an ave of 3.9 YPC. Way better than the year before.

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                  • Boltjolt
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                    Originally posted by beachcomber View Post

                    can't speak to Shelton other than I like what he brings to the (Carson) Chargers, and....

                    in no way is it apples to oranges....[B] it has been shown that marquis wideouts don't equate to SBs, and that great defenses regularly carry QBs to wins in the SB.

                    Doesnt hurt either. Bradshaw to Swann and Stallworth say Hi. So does the greatest show on turf.
                    It's a team sport, always will be but saying you can't win with top WRs is false. You can if the rest of the team is good enough.

                    Last edited by Boltjolt; 03-12-2019, 02:08 PM.

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                    • UglyTruth
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                      Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                      We weren't that bad against the run this year as opposed to last year. Think we were 9th and gave up an ave of 3.9 YPC. Way better than the year before.
                      A lot of that had to do with our schedule being very RB friendly. Think about it, how many elite RBs did we play? Guys like Kareem Hunt and LaVeon Bell didn't suit up when we played Chiefs (the second time) and Steelers for example.
                      Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

                      - 69-74 record
                      - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
                      - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
                      - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
                      - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
                      - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
                      - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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                      • Fleet
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                        • Xenos
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                          Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post
                          Chargers are consistently one of the worst run defenses in the league and have not had a legit NT since Jamal Williams which was more than a decade ago.

                          I don't see the problem with getting a guy if he's a "sure thing" at stopping the run. Look at the AFC Championship game and see how many rushing yards the Patriots got on with nobodies at RB because that's how bad we are at stopping the run.
                          NTs like Jamal are rarity in the NFL these days. Someone who can stop the run and rush the passer. Most of the time, you kind of have to switch personnel based on how the offense looks because the NT can only do one thing, which is stop the run. And I see this continuing (at least during the regular season) because of the passing craze.

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