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Where to start? Sterling on the brink of the luxury tax? Lets talk when he's paying it for a number of years and on the brink of the penalty. If that happens, I'll give Sterling a 1% confidence rating (an improvement over the 0% I have him at now.) Consecutive games? Unless you're breaking the record, does anyone (besides Clipper fan) really care? Meaningless. As far as publicity is concerned, attention is attention, and the Lakers get a lot more than the Clippers, even when they are awful. Breaking it down into sub categories feels like reaching to make a point.
Do you consider the Lakers 11'-12' and 12'-13' seasons successes? Yet the same results = success for the Clips and this season will be the first time (I believe ever, but would have to review) the Clips accomplish more than the Lakers. Over the last few seasons, the Lakers have won a division, made the conference semi-finals and got bounced in the first round. The Clippers have won the division, made the second round and got bounced in the first round. I'm sorry you don't see the obvious disconnect between the Lakers/Raiders, Clippers/Chargers thing. The Raiders are not the Lakers, that's laughable and you know it. The Raiders last made the playoffs when? Won a championship when? Want to try with the Lakers (forget back to back, lets just count to the last one). You're right, I don't get it and yes and I understand why, because its ridiculous. The Chargers are not the Clippers, the Chargers have been much, much more successful and have a much, much better history. The Clippers are pretty much on their own in regards to lack of any success whatsoever. Maybe they will be able to sustain the modest success, who knows? A lot of historically bad franchises have a short run like the Clips, few sustain it. My bet is they don't, Paul isn't getting any younger or less injured. Could be wrong though, but doubt Sterling decides he's going to pay the tax for multiple seasons going forward. There is a reason the other owners weren't threatened by Paul to the Clippers and all shit their pants when it was Paul to the Lakers. It has zero to do with the trade compensation.
Raider fan huh? I guess when the truth is meddlesome, dropping Raiders into the dialogue eases the pain . Forgot to add the obvious, F the Raider. Roll Lakers.Last edited by sandiego17; 01-29-2014, 11:41 AM.
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Originally posted by sandiego17 View PostWhere to start? Sterling on the brink of the luxury tax? Lets talk when he's paying it for a number of years and on the brink of the penalty. If that happens, I'll give Sterling a 1% confidence rating (an improvement over the 0% I have him at now.)
Do you consider the Lakers 11'-12' and 12'-13' seasons successes? Yet the same results = success for the Clips and this season will be the first time (I believe ever, but would have to review) the Clips accomplish more than the Lakers.
I'm sorry you don't see the obvious disconnect between the Lakers/Raiders, Clippers/Chargers thing. The Raiders are not the Lakers, that's laughable and you know it. The Raiders last made the playoffs when? Won a championship when? Want to try with the Lakers (forget back to back, lets just count to the last one). The Chargers are not the Clippers, the Chargers have been much, much more successful and have a much, much better history.
The Clippers are pretty much on their own in regards to lack of any success whatsoever
My bet is they don't, Paul isn't getting any younger or less injured. Could be wrong though, but doubt Sterling decides he's going to pay the tax for multiple seasons going forward.
I guess when the truth is meddlesome, dropping Raiders into the dialogue eases the pain .Last edited by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR; 01-29-2014, 01:26 PM.
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Originally posted by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR View PostWell as I said, his rep as a miser wrt the team hasn't been accurate for several years now. And oh, btw, if you can actually identify any guys he DIDN'T pay that he should have....I'm all ears.
I suppose if you're holding everyone to the same standard, that's accurate....but then we already knew that the Lakers historical success trails only the Celtics' and dwarfs everyone in the league. So now that we got that out of the way.... I never claimed the Clippers had some comparable history. They are the better team right now. I've said that three times, I think. You're talking about history in response to a point made about current state.
Now you want to ignore history and want to focus on current states. Yes, the Raiders have sucked for quite a long time. But at one time they were one of the most consistently successful franchises in their sport and won multiple championships (4 if you consider the AFL). Their resume at the time we began dominating them in the LT era outclassed ours substantially. No one is saying the Raiders are the Lakers. N one is saying the Chargers are the Clippers. And no one is saying the 'power relationship' is exactly the same. But the point stands about the kind of weak argumentation asserted by the fans of formerly great franchises getting their asses handed to them and opining about the former glory days....cue Bruce Springsteen. So whether you agree or not, they asserted the same kind of baffling argumentation. "Forget the current, because of the past." When the dynamic changes, they will say "Who cares about the past, we are kicking your asses now." Both equally vacuous.
I don't need you or anyone to tell me that. I've been a loyal fan since 1978. Believe me, I know how bad they have been and why. It's why I won't accept a bunch of bullshit from people telling me that I need to hush until the Clippers have won 16 championships. It's also why I won't talk a bunch of garbage about my team. I can read the scoreboard and I also know how fragile is whatever success the Clippers are having. I've had a lifetime of top picks and players blowing out their knees or the team making inexplicable trades or whatever. But the pat on the head smarminess isn't really called for. I'm pretty sure as a Chargers fan, you're familiar with it. So it makes it surprising that you'd resort to it.
And my bet is that blowing their wad on Kobe and having to retain so much deadwood isn't going to get the Lakers Love, Lebron and Parker in the fold by 2016. My bet is that a return to greatness, if it is to come, is more than an offseason or two away. So we'll see.
No just totally appropriate. it's the exact same yang I heard them run.Last edited by sandiego17; 01-29-2014, 04:16 PM.
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So with all the lottery picks, Clippers never lost anyone they shouldn't have? That's an indictment of the Clipper way more than anything anyone can come up with. I'll go the Laker route, Lamar Odom.
I do dispute that they will be for any length of time
The Clippers are better for one season. Awesome. If it gets to 10 years or so, we can talk about how they have been better.
And trails the Celtics in what way? Championships? Ok. That's Raider-esque more than anything and Laker fan can dish out. The C's won 11 rings in the Bill Russell era. The Lakers have been dominant and maintained success far longer. When you run into C's fans, let them know, its Magic 6 - Bird 3, Kobe 5 - Pierce 1. They can have Russell's 11, I wasn't alive. I've enjoyed the 10-4 since I've been a fan much more, wouldn't trade it for the Bill Russell era.
The Raiders resume still outclasses the Chargers, who would dispute that?
My point is that doesn't matter, you can't compare the Raiders to the Lakers, as you yourself say. The Lakers resume is so much better than the Raiders it isn't even worth discussing.
Chargers are much more accomplished historically than the Clippers. I'm not talking about championships, just plain success on the field/court, superstars, HOFers, wins, playoffs, playoff victories, AFL/AFC Championships, etc.
Still pretty sure you're the only one here that brings up Lebron as a Laker.
Kobe and deadwood? What deadwood is on the books after this year?
Now you sound like Den and the bet that the team is 10-15-20 years away.
No.
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We shall see. Still will point out that the Clippers are in position to do more than the Lakers THIS one season. They haven't been better in the past (show me what they have accomplished more than the the Lakers in any season, not even in their breakout 2012-13 season did they do more) and doubt they remain better for any significant length of time.
Also disagree with your notion about different time periods. All are relevant in their positions of the argument. Nobody gets D's in b-school (we didn't even have letter gardes.) H work man, at worst HP.
So if 10-15-20 means I'm on crack and not what you meant by "more than 1-2 offseasons" how many do you anticipate? I'm betting I'm less on crack than my exaggeration may suggest. No deadwood, all contracts save Kobe's and Nash's and cap killers Sacre and Elias Harris are off the books. Speculation on who they bring backs ranks up there with the LeBron stuff you give credence too, its meaningless.
If ESPN is the source, here you go:
As for the Kevin Love-to-New York rumors, most executives believe Love is destined for the Lakers when he becomes a free agent in 2015. "That's a 100 percent certainty,'' one GM told me.
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Originally posted by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR View PostYou went to some B-school where they didn't have letter grades? That explains a lot. Did everyone get to be valedictorian at graduation, too? ;-)
Ok, not me. Not sure if she was actually a miss india especially considering the plagiarizing, but wouldn't say its out of the question.
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