This Team's D-line Rotation Sucks

[Steve]

Right now, I think Tillery and Nwosu are basically backups who can rotate in to give our starters a breather. So, IMO, we need to draft or sign via FA at least ONE decent Edge and one decent IDL...if we could get one more Edge for the rotation, that would be even better...also need TWO cover corners...tired of seeing our gassed D give up gobs of yards at the end of the game...

I don't disagree they are backups. My point was basically we need an influx of new talent at DL .... and not that it was mentioned, but CB ... OL ... LB ... one or more S ..... we need a lot of new bodies.


Everyone is bitching about what style of coach would make the best HC. It is the guy who comes in, and lays out a plan how they will find and develop talent at every postion on the roster. Turn the Chargers into a machine to develop young players into useful players. It doesn't matter what it is now, because it will turn into another position down the road. It doesn't matter if you plan to use FA or not, because the only way FA will work at all is if a team can support them with cheap talent. And if the Chargers don't use FA (Because it is a COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY) then you still need to find and develop young players.

The Chargers may have lost a lot of close games under McCoy and Lynn, but the teams that win division titles and championships do so because they win most of their games and are simply not in that many close games, because they have superior talent.

[Topcat]

I don't disagree they are backups. My point was basically we need an influx of new talent at DL .... and not that it was mentioned, but CB ... OL ... LB ... one or more S ..... we need a lot of new bodies.


Everyone is bitching about what style of coach would make the best HC. It is the guy who comes in, and lays out a plan how they will find and develop talent at every postion on the roster. Turn the Chargers into a machine to develop young players into useful players. It doesn't matter what it is now, because it will turn into another position down the road. It doesn't matter if you plan to use FA or not, because the only way FA will work at all is if a team can support them with cheap talent. And if the Chargers don't use FA (Because it is a COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY) then you still need to find and develop young players.

The Chargers may have lost a lot of close games under McCoy and Lynn, but the teams that win division titles and championships do so because they win most of their games and are simply not in that many close games, because they have superior talent.

^ This. Now, the Bolts have actually done a decent job over the years of finding decent UDFA's (Jackson, Ekkie, Johnson, etc.); however, I don't like the way they have basically thrown away a lot of draft picks to trade up. That 3rd rounder they packaged with our 2nd rounder last year to move up for Murray, a LB who is a liability in coverage, was a mistake. So we STILL have a hole at Mike LB...it's a numbers game--at least some of those 3rd and 4th rounders we have traded away most probably would have panned out and become solid starters...

[Biggestfan]

EDGE is a must.

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/20...nfl-sack-title


Signing a FA EDGE frees up our draft to build an offensive line, to protect the franchise.

Edge rusher should have been addressed last offseason and the one before. Ingram is/was completely inconsistent. Bosa is only one man. Very disappointing that this team really didn't do much to the Dline other than bringing in Joseph who does his job for the most part. Square should have been cut also. Not sure who evaluates talent on the defensive side of the ball here but its been lackluster.

[powderblueboy]

But that is still 4.5 sacks in the other 12 games for Reddick.

[Cdn Bolt]

You almost wonder if we should to go back to the 3-4. We really only have 2 pass rushers and they are never healthy together it seems. The 3-4 you can just have a bunch of large OLBs w speed, there are more of them than 280 lb ends.

Our D used to be decent w the 3-4. A 4th rounder Shaun Phillips worked out well as a starting OLB showing it may be an easier D to assemble personnel wise.

[Steve]

You almost wonder if we should to go back to the 3-4. We really only have 2 pass rushers and they are never healthy together it seems. The 3-4 you can just have a bunch of large OLBs w speed, there are more of them than 280 lb ends.

Our D used to be decent w the 3-4. A 4th rounder Shaun Phillips worked out well as a starting OLB showing it may be an easier D to assemble personnel wise.

I hate that oversimplified logic. Finding good players is hard no matter what the scheme. There are no quick fixes.

1). Most 43 DE are playing closer to 260 than 280.
2). The vast majority of 34 OLB who can actually rush the passer can also play 43 DE. Their are a few bigger 43 DE who would probably be better fit for 34 DE, so the pool of talent is about the same.
3). Most 34 teams have to carry MORE DL than a 43 team. They use fewer on any given snap. But 34 tend to have run down guys, and passing down guys ... it takes more guys total, and it means you draft a lot of DL and are constantly developing role players .
4). There is no reason 43 teams can't use the same philosophy of role players and run down/pass down rotation. We would all love to have the great 4 starters who can dominate run or pass, but who is kidding who, we can't get 4 starters who are any good, let alone 4 starters and depth to put a rotation together.
5). It is worth remembering 70% of the snaps in the NFL are run by defenses with 2 pass rushers outside the OT, and 2 DL lined up over the interior DL. Every team uses a nickel rush most of the time, and that is a 42 formation even if 2 of them are called OLB some of the time. They are DE, and have to play like a DE.
6). it is worth remembering that a 34 D is really a 52 defense at it's heart, 2 DE types at OLB, 3 DT types inside.
7). There are only a handful of college teams who play 34 defense any more. Many more play 335, but that is nothing like a 34 in terms of concepts, alignments and techniques. We are going to have to develop the players who have never been asked to do what we asked them to, making the draft even more risky (more difficult to project).
8). In case anyone has missed it, we are really struggling to find decent LB, so trying to find/play more of them seems like a bad idea, especially if it means we need to find even more DL.
9). Guys like Phillips fall every once and a while, but that is true of both schemes.

[Cdn Bolt]

I hate that oversimplified logic. Finding good players is hard no matter what the scheme. There are no quick fixes.

It isn't oversimplified. OLBs can be 240-260 4-3 DEs need to be at least 260 to hold up in run support. You can think what you want but it was easier to man the 3-4 and we had our best D then. We had one NT Jamal ,2 DE Igor and Luis Castillo then 2 good rush OLBS Merriman and Phillips. It is easy to find backups for all. It is hard to find 260 lb DEs who can rush and stop the run

We have been shit in the 4-3 frankly.

[Boltjolt]

It isn't oversimplified. OLBs can be 240-260 4-3 DEs need to be at least 260 to hold up in run support. You can think what you want but it was easier to man the 3-4 and we had our best D then. We have been shit in the 4-3 frankly.

Strahan was 250-255.

OLBs play the run as well. It's 3-4 DEs taking up blockers for them.

Parsons is 245 and has already said he is a natural DE and has no problem adding weight for it and won't lose any athleticism and still run a 4.5.
My guess he would get to 260.

[Cdn Bolt]

Strahan was 250-255.

OLBs play the run as well. It's 3-4 DEs taking up blockers for them.

Parsons is 245 and has already said he is a natural DE and has no problem adding weight for it and won't lose any athleticism and still run a 4.5.
My guess he would get to 260.

The 3-4 DE is 300 lbs and holds up the OL not the OLB. The OLB are then free to make tackles. They don't have to hold up the 300 lb lineman.It used to work great here as you probably recall.

[Boltjolt]

The 3-4 DE is 300 lbs and holds up the OL not the OLB. The OLB are then free to make tackles. They don't have to hold up the 300 lb lineman.It used to work great here as you probably recall.

That's what I'm saying.

[Cdn Bolt]

That's what I'm saying.

I meant the OLBs aren't taking on the OL

[alex8080]

davlin tomlinson get him