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[Xenos]

In my opinion, elite teams have a decent chance of winning the Super Bowl.....injuries not interfering with that chance.

In beating a mediocre Philly team at home in the playoffs, Dallas gave no indication of that: the proof being that they were handled convincingly by an elite Minnesota team.
Play that game again and the outcome would be similar, barring an incredible set of fortunate incidents all going Dallas's way
If we went over their roster, it would pretty much bear that out.
Minnesota was probably the best team that year. Minnesota would have crushed the 2009 Chargers.

Indy, New England, San Diego, Baltimore were all elite teams in 2006

They all could have beaten Indy, New Orleans & Minnesota in the 2009 playoffs.....or they could have lost, but it would have been a tough game and uncertain outcome.

The 2009 Chargers were not elite: they would have been handled by any of those 7 teams:
their defensive line had mostly journeymen, they had no first rate pass rushers, their running game was deficient.
I would throw on top of that that Norv was a personable 3rd rate head coach, who got badly outschemed in the 2nd half by Buddy Ryan's kid: literally caught with his pants down.

I’m going to disagree about the elite teams in 2006 especially NE, Baltimore, and Indy. All three of those 2006 teams would have been beaten badly by the 2009 ones. NE for example was a wildcard team that had no receivers. Baltimore had an old McNair as their QB. Indy couldn’t stop the run until they traded for Booger and Bob Sanders came back. Peyton also had a down year by his standards.

And everything else you mentioned just proves that Norv did more with less than Marty in 2009. Having less talent and facing tougher opponents.

[powderblueboy]

That 2009 Charger team had an incredible stroke of luck with injuries.
Hardwick missed a good portion of the season, but was back for the playoffs.

The 2006 team had Rivers playing against New England with a Lis Franc injury, and Merriman/Shaun Phillips out that 4rth quarter.
They certainly could have used Steve Foley that game. Merriman's injury came in the first half....he tried playing on it in the 2nd half.

I read somewhere that had the Chargers won, Rivers and Merriman would have been out the next week against Indy.
I don't know about Rivers, but he was playing hurt.

[powderblueboy]

I’m going to disagree about the elite teams in 2006 especially NE, Baltimore, and Indy. All three of those 2006 teams would have been beaten badly by the 2009 ones. NE for example was a wildcard team that had no receivers. Baltimore had an old McNair as their QB. Indy couldn’t stop the run until they traded for Booger and Bob Sanders came back. Peyton also had a down year by his standards.

And everything else you mentioned just proves that Norv did more with less than Marty in 2009. Having less talent and facing tougher opponents.

Nonsense!.

2006 Indy was your typical Peyton lead Indy team, with key additions come playoff time; they just came off of an undefeated season the year before.....whatever changed, come playoff time, was for the better.
The 2006 team would have beaten that 2009 team more often than not.

The 2006 New England Patriots offense had first rate tight ends and attacked you that way, along with their ground game.
They ran out of gas in the 4rth quarter against Indy......it was said that the emotional win in San Diego cost them, or they would have won
BTW, the 2003-4 Pats also had mediocre wide receivers.

Baltimore had a great D and running game....they could have won it all. McNair's stats in 2006 looks little different from most previous years.
He wasn't Manningesque like in 2003, but he was more than sufficient: possibly even better than butt sack the rookie.

Norv's 'good year' was built on the back of Riviera doing a hell of a job masking all the holes.
Credit to Norv for getting him and moving Cotrell out.

Pity Norvell shat in his pants come that 2nd half against the Jets.
Chargers didn't lose because of a shanked field goal, injury or any freak plays,
that just got badly outplayed that 2nd half.

[Boltjolt]

Nonsense!.

2006 Indy was your typical Peyton lead Indy team, with key additions come playoff time; they just came off of an undefeated season the year before.....whatever changed was for the better.
The 2006 team would have beaten that 2009 team more often than not.

The 2006 New England Patriots offense had first rate tight ends and attacked you that way, along with their ground game.
They ran out of gas in the 4rth quarter against Indy......it was said that the emotional win in San Diego cost them, or they would have won
BTW, the 2003-4 Pats also had mediocre wide receivers.

Baltimore had a great D and running game....they could have won it all. McNair's stats in 2006 looks little different from most previous years.
He wasn't Manningesque like in 2003, but he was more than sufficient.

Norv's 'good year' was built on the back of Riviera doing a hell of a job masking all the holes.
Credit to Norv for getting him and moving Cotrell out.

Pity Norvell shat in his pants come that 2nd half against the Jets.
Chargers didn't lose because of a shanked field goal, injury or any freak plays,
that just got badly outplayed that 2nd half.

Yes and Cottrell was AJs buddy so Norv wasnt just a yes man. He also had input of draft picks, he just wasnt as good at it as Marty.
Marty was a teacher of the game and helped players develope save for QBs which he wasnt good with but he had an eye for defensive players.

Norv.....had a good offensive system as long as your OL held up for those 5 and 7 step drops.

[Xenos]

Nonsense!.

2006 Indy was your typical Peyton lead Indy team, with key additions come playoff time; they just came off of an undefeated season the year before.....whatever changed, come playoff time, was for the better.
The 2006 team would have beaten that 2009 team more often than not.

The 2006 New England Patriots offense had first rate tight ends and attacked you that way, along with their ground game.
They ran out of gas in the 4rth quarter against Indy......it was said that the emotional win in San Diego cost them, or they would have won
BTW, the 2003-4 Pats also had mediocre wide receivers.

Baltimore had a great D and running game....they could have won it all. McNair's stats in 2006 looks little different from most previous years.
He wasn't Manningesque like in 2003, but he was more than sufficient: possibly even better than butt sack the rookie.

Norv's 'good year' was built on the back of Riviera doing a hell of a job masking all the holes.
Credit to Norv for getting him and moving Cotrell out.

Pity Norvell shat in his pants come that 2nd half against the Jets.
Chargers didn't lose because of a shanked field goal, injury or any freak plays,
that just got badly outplayed that 2nd half.

No freak play in the Jets game? Did you forget the Rivers pass to VJ that should have been a TD but Revis somehow got away with interference and knocked to ball to himself for an interception?

Blaming Norvell for what happened in the Jets game while defending Marty in the other playoff games we lost is the definition of hypocrisy. But don’t let facts get in your way. Facts that were already provided in the previous post about Kaeding that day.

[Xenos]

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022/06/03/kansas-city-chiefs-steve-spagnuolo-2022-defense-growing-pains/




I did love and eny the Chiefs' draft but Coach Spags has eyeballed his defense and sees what we see: a last place defense in the AFC West.

Here’s Diante Lee’s thoughts.
https://theathletic.com/3368385/2022...hiefs-cowboys/

Chiefs


Notable additions: S Justin Reid, DE George Karlaftis, CB Trent McDuffie
Notable departures: S Tyrann Mathieu, CB Charvarius Ward, DE Melvin Ingram
Defensive coordinator: Steve Spagnuolo
Scheme: Even front, multiple in pressures and coverages
Boom-or-bust question: Can the young/new players be dependable enough to cover for the loss of some versatility?

Steve Spagnuolo cut his teeth in the NFL under the tutelage of the late Jim Johnson, and it shows in his play calling. If a blitz has been drawn up at any point in his lifetime, you can bet the mortgage that Spagnuolo has called it. And for the past three seasons, Tyrann Mathieu served as the perfect skeleton key to unlock any pressure or coverage rotation on Spagnuolo’s call sheet.

With Mathieu gone to New Orleans, Charvarius Ward in San Francisco and Melvin Ingram in Miami, this defense has much less versatility in skill sets than it had from 2019-2021. But the cupboards aren’t bare. The Chiefs drafted George Karlaftis and Trent McDuffie to take up large shares of snaps at their respective positions, and the team signed Justin Reid to fill in for Mathieu.

In Karlaftis, not only does Kansas City have a powerful player who can develop into a solid run defender and secondary pass rusher across from Frank Clark, but his presence guarantees Chris Jones won’t have to play out on the edge, as he did in 2021 until Ingram was acquired mid-season. McDuffie will have to play inside and out to cover for the losses in the defensive backfield, but he’s a talented player who’s comfortable in man coverage, a major piece of playing for Spagnuolo. And though Reid’s skill set doesn’t exactly match Mathieu’s, his ability to toggle between playing near the line of scrimmage or deep pairs well with Juan Thornhill.

Though I believe Karlaftis and McDuffie can be reliably productive as rookies, I did not envision during the pre-draft process that they would take on serious starter roles so early in their careers — and certainly not for a contending team such as the Chiefs.

With the AFC West as loaded as it is, the new defenders in Kansas City will experience a trial by fire like no other.

[blueman]

Hicks isn’t notable? Who knew.

[powderblueboy]

No freak play in the Jets game? Did you forget the Rivers pass to VJ that should have been a TD but Revis somehow got away with interference and knocked to ball to himself for an interception?

Blaming Norvell for what happened in the Jets game while defending Marty in the other playoff games we lost is the definition of hypocrisy. But don’t let facts get in your way. Facts that were already provided in the previous post about Kaeding that day.

I remember it. Chargers had possession near midfield, thanks to a Jet turnover.

Rivers threw a 50 -50 jump ball on 3rd down to V.J. near the right hash mark, around the 25 yard line.
Revis was just better, no interference.

You seem a bit shaky on the facts yourself.

Norv's offense went into the tank, set up the Jets on the doorstep of the endzone for the go ahead td,
and couldn't stay on the field in the 2nd half.

And yet it was Riviera's D who got the blame, wilting late in the 4rth.
Watching Norvel surreptitiously deflect blame in his post game pressers was watching a master at work.

[Xenos]

I remember it. Chargers had possession near midfield, thanks to a Jet turnover.

Rivers threw a 50 -50 jump ball on 3rd down to V.J. near the right hash mark, between the 20 -25 yard line.
Revis was just better, no interference.

You seem a bit shaky on the facts yourself.

Norv's offense went into the tank, set up the Jets on the doorstep of the endzone for the go ahead td,
and couldn't stay on the field in the 2nd half.

And yet it was Riviera's D who got the blame, wilting late in the 4rth.
Watching Norvel surreptitiously deflect blame in his post game pressers was watching a master at work.

I remember more of the facts than you apparently.

[powderblueboy]

I remember more of the facts than you apparently.

"Did you forget the Rivers pass to VJ that should have been a TD but Revis somehow got away with interference and knocked to ball to himself for an interception?"

This is the only 'fact' we are quibbling over from my last post. Everything else is opinion.
You are still stubbornly holding on to it, or do you want me to post the play?

[Xenos]

"Did you forget the Rivers pass to VJ that should have been a TD but Revis somehow got away with interference and knocked to ball to himself for an interception?"

This is the only 'fact' we are quibbling over from my last post. Everything else is opinion.
You are still stubbornly holding on to it, or do you want me to post the play?

It’s not an opinion that the 2009 season was tougher than the 2006 season. You were wrong about that. Nor that Kaeding missing two easy FGs that cost us the game. You were wrong about that as well. You’re like chaincrusher sometimes honestly because you tend to have bias towards certain things and ignore the circumstances of what actually happened. In this case your love of Marty and your dislike of Norv.

And yes, post the VJ Revis play.

[Maniaque 6]

I did not know where to put this

2022 NFL season: Most likely team to end playoff drought? Least likely? Let's rank 'em!