2022 Official Chargers Season Discussion

[blueman]

[QUOTE=sonorajim;n1356127]

From PFF, not sure how to interpret it, but don’t like the results. I do feel the Bolts O doesn’t play up to its skill level. And we do see who is in the playoffs and who isn’t.


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I assume that you are referring to 2021 when we were the NFL's 4th most successful offense in Staley / Lombardi's 1st year with the Chargers.
Allegedly, 2022, yr 2 will be foot ball 202 in this offense. There may have been some dumbing down but if so the '21 results were an incredible display of skill when everyone knew what we were doing and could not stop it. If we successfully install a level of deception, the rest of the NFL is in trouble.

9-8. 50% in one score games where the O had a chance (and our #30 D actually gave the O that chance).

Reality sucks.

[sonorajim]

That’s what he’s battling, is he the most competent backup, or is it someone else.

Tillery is a rotational / situational IDL pass rusher. His primary competition is Fox, Covington and Gaziano
Bash, AJ - locks. Tito close to a lock. I think they keep Fox & Tillery, maybe one more. Tillery's length & speed are hard to give up on this year if looks like he's ready to fight for a contract.

[Formula 21]

[QUOTE=sonorajim;n1356127]

From PFF, not sure how to interpret it, but don’t like the results. I do feel the Bolts O doesn’t play up to its skill level. And we do see who is in the playoffs and who isn’t.


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I assume that you are referring to 2021 when we were the NFL's 4th most successful offense in Staley / Lombardi's 1st year with the Chargers.
Allegedly, 2022, yr 2 will be foot ball 202 in this offense. There may have been some dumbing down but if so the '21 results were an incredible display of skill when everyone knew what we were doing and could not stop it. If we successfully install a level of deception, the rest of the NFL is in trouble.

There’s also the old question of is it the scheme or is it the execution. Either way, I’m hoping to see better O this year which more fully uses Herbie’s skills.

[sonorajim]

[QUOTE=Formula 21;n1356139]

There’s also the old question of is it the scheme or is it the execution. Either way, I’m hoping to see better O this year which more fully uses Herbie’s skills.

I'd love to see this also. Our #4 offense and #3 QB https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-inde...eason-rankings from last year have room to grow.
Year 2 in this O with an improved OL, RB2 , Defense & Special Teams, and we can be sure they will be better, just how much?- will add an additional comfort level.

[21&500]

High praise
I'll take it.

[Topcat]

From PFF, not sure how to interpret it, but don’t like the results. I do feel the Bolts O doesn’t play up to its skill level. And we do see who is in the playoffs and who isn’t.


Distance from the origin (0,0) — at least as it pertains to the first two principal components — is a measure of the scheme’s uniqueness. There is actually a more robust way to measure scheme uniqueness, which is to take each of the principal components, multiply them by the amount of variance they contribute and add them up. If this is done, these are the offensive play-callers in 2021 in order of uniqueness, which actually can be shown to contribute to betting prices on a weekly basis:

Rank	Name	Team
1	Kyle Shanahan	SF
2	Kliff Kingsbury	ARZ
3	Sean McVay	LA
4	Andy Reid	KC
5	Arthur Smith	ATL

For completeness, here are the offensive coordinators with the least unique schemes:

Rank	Name	Team
28	Tim Kelly	HOU
29	Anthony Lynn	DET
30	Kellen Moore	DAL
31	Joe Brady	CAR
32	Joe Lombardi	LAC

So, Lynn ranked higher than Lombo? Ouch...this DOES confirm what I said several times last season, that Lombo's playcalling was kind of predictable...

[Boltjolt]

So, Lynn ranked higher than Lombo? Ouch...this DOES confirm what I said several times last season, that Lombo's playcalling was kind of predictable...

Pfft. WTF does PFF know about unique offenses?
Lynn got his play calling duties taken away midway thru the season then got fired after the season.

All those top 4 guys have been with their same teams for years. The Falcons were awful lol.
Lombardi's first season we were 5th on offense. Still going to get better.

PFF are a bunch of goons.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

PFF are a bunch of goons.

Goons? No. Troglodytes, perhaps.

With any effort at all, this forum can debate which of us is right-er, right up until training camp starts.

[dmac_bolt]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

It's reasonable to think that *some* of the Chargers' offensive "lack of uniqueness" stems from the fact that 2021 was a first year pairing of Lombardi-- and his scheme-- with Herbert.

We've all read Herb's comments about how at this time last year, he felt like he was 'drowning' as he attempted to absorb the playbook.

Now? Herb's saying it's a different story now, that getting everyone lined up correctly is automatic now, and that he can much more easily focus on *executing* the play. Add improved protection from his O-line, a better blocking primary TE than he had last year, and... How could this *not* allow Lombardi to be more creative in his play calling?!? And it's not as if Lombardi has been accused of underutilizing the offensive weaponry he had at his disposal in New Orleans, right?

So I expect an uptick in this area, anyway, just on the basis of familiarity and competence.

Allow me to advance a bullet point of philosophy for the Chargers' offense, moving forward with Herb as QB.

* Each week-- unless there are specific, justifiable reasons NOT to-- make it part of each week's offensive game plan to scheme TWO running plays for Herb.

Why? Because schemed, this is a small enough number to be executed without risk to Herb's health. And when the defense KNOWS that Herb's going to end up taking off with the ball a couple of times, they HAVE TO relax their coverage on other guys MOST of the time. They know it'll happen, they just don't know when. It forces them to make coverage allowances for that possibility.

PFF’s creation of a model which concludes the 4th best offense is actually #32 is a triumph of Math over Physics. Its not worthy of elaboration.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

PFF’s creation of a model which concludes the 4th best offense is actually #32 is a triumph of Math over Physics. Its not worthy of elaboration.

I was hoping you'd weigh in on the goon/troglodyte debate. It's a more worthy topic than PFF.

"Troglodyte?!? Or Goon?!? Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyeee wanna hear from EWE, Poway! Light up those lines, Point Loma!"

[FoutsFan]

I was hoping you'd weigh in on the goon/troglodyte debate. It's a more worthy topic than PFF.

"Troglodyte?!? Or Goon?!? Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyeee wanna hear from EWE, Poway! Light up those lines, Point Loma!"

Would that be Alice the Goon?

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[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Would that be Alice the Goon?

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Why, yes. It WOULD be!