AFC West Roster Positional Rankings

[Boltjolt]

The Chargers' WRs are much better than the Raiders. It's not even close really. The Chargers have the deepest WR corps on the league.

I love my team just as you do but sorry, that is just homerism fan speak. Nobody outside of this fan base will agree with you. I don't even agree with you.

And I don't mean about the Raiders , I mean having the deepest WR corps in the league. It's not really close.

[ChargersPowderBlue]

The Chargers' WRs are much better than the Raiders. It's not even close really. The Chargers have the deepest WR corps on the league.

A WR group that was probably the worst in the league in balls dropped is the deepest group in the league?

[DerwinBosa]

I personally rank Herbert #2, behind Mahomes. I can see why some would have Wilson #2, even though I think he will struggle a bit in Denver, similarly to other quarterbacks who moved on to different teams in their thirties. McNabb in Washington and Minnesota comes to mind, as does Favre with the Jets. Carr? Don't make me laugh.

[sonorajim]

A WR group that was probably the worst in the league in balls dropped is the deepest group in the league?

Herbert had the most passing yards and TDs in the AFC last year. Just think what we might have done if they could catch the ball !

Hill is gone. Fant is gone. Adams (LV) GB stats would be #1. MW 2, KA 3, Kelce (KC) 4, Renfrow (LV) 5 Sutton (Den) 6, Patrick (Den) 7, Hardman (KC) 8, Waller (LV) 9, Ekeler 10, Edwards (LV) 11

Depth in proven receivers, over 500 yds last year LV 5, LAC 3, KC 3 , Den 2

[Velo]

The Chargers had two WRs finish in the top 13 last season. No other team had two WRs finish that high. KA and MW were the best 1-2 duo in the league. When you look at the depth at WR, nobody has WRs down the depth chart as good as the Chargers. Palmer and Guyton are the best 3-4 WRs in the league. The fact that Herbert lead the AFC in passing yardage and was 2nd in the league only to Brady is proof. The Raiders have one really good WR at the top. Then there is Hunter Renfro, 5-10, 185 lbs, 4.6 speed. I think Josh Palmer is better than Renfro. After Adams and Renfro, it's a huge drop off, the rest of the Raiders' WR corps is just guys. Tyron Johnson may be their 3rd best WR. The Broncos' trio of Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick and Jerry Jeudy is better than what the Raiders have.

[DerwinBosa]

The Chargers had two WRs finish in the top 13 last season. No other team had two WRs finish that high. KA and MW were the best 1-2 duo in the league. When you look at the depth at WR, nobody has WRs down the depth chart as good as the Chargers. Palmer and Guyton are the best 3-4 WRs in the league. The fact that Herbert lead the AFC in passing yardage and was 2nd in the league only to Brady is proof. The Raiders have one really good WR at the top. Then there is Hunter Renfro, 5-10, 185 lbs, 4.6 speed. I think Josh Palmer is better than Renfro. After Adams and Renfro, it's a huge drop off, the rest of the Raiders' WR corps is just guys. Tyron Johnson may be their 3rd best WR. The Broncos' trio of Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick and Jerry Jeudy is better than what the Raiders have.

I like Palmer a ton, and have high hopes for him, but there is absolutely zero evidence right now that he's better than Hunter Renfrow.

[Velo]

I like Palmer a ton, and have high hopes for him, but there is absolutely zero evidence right now that he's better than Hunter Renfrow.

Renfrow had a career year last season, and it will probably be the best season of his career. Palmer is much more physically dominant and faster than Renfrow. The only thing that will hold Palmer from out-performing Renfrow is the fact that Palmer has more talent ahead of him on the depth chart than Renfrow. In addition to KA and Mike Williams, Palmer has to compete with Austin Ekeler for targets. Ekeler was third last year in reception yardage last season. The Raiders don't have an RB like Ekeler.

[Boltjolt]

The Chargers had two WRs finish in the top 13 last season. No other team had two WRs finish that high. KA and MW were the best 1-2 duo in the league. When you look at the depth at WR, nobody has WRs down the depth chart as good as the Chargers. WW2The fact that Herbert lead the AFC in passing yardage and was 2nd in the league only to Brady is proof. The Raiders have one really good WR at the top. Then there is Hunter Renfro, 5-10, 185 lbs, 4.6 speed. I think Josh Palmer is better than Renfro. After Adams and Renfro, it's a huge drop off, the rest of the Raiders' WR corps is just guys. Tyron Johnson may be their 3rd best WR. The Broncos' trio of Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick and Jerry Jeudy is better than what the Raiders have.

That as where you are dead wrong. Just shows you don't know about other players and don't know rosters. And no way would i say Palmer is better than Renfrow and it isn't close.

I don't care how fast Renfrow is, he is always open and a good route runner. He had only 3 less receptions last season than Keenan with 103 and has been good even as a rookie. Just didn't get as many chances.
He and Crosby were Gruden and Mayocks best picks in their tenure.
Kuup isnt fast either but is always open.

I'm not arguing our WRs aren't better than the Raiders.
I'm arguing no way we have the best WR corps in the league as you stated.

And using Herbert having the second most passing yards isn't really a guage, Brady and Herbert also were 1 and 2 in the most pass attempts in the league ( Brady 712) to (672).

I mean you must be joking thinking Palmer and Guyton are better 3 and 4's than other teams. If that were the case, nobody here would of been mocking us a WR before the draft.

Tim Patrick for one is Denver's #3. He is better than Palmer or Guyton but I think Keenan and MW are much better than Sutton and Juedy.

I saw a list on FB that I can't find now and they had a top 10 teams WR corps and we weren't even on it. Not sure I agree we aren't top 10 but we aren't much higher if we are.

I think Philly has a damn good WR corps along with Buffalo, Tampa,Saints, Miami, Bengals, Rams have 3 good ones anyways.
I'd have to look at others but that's 7 there.

[equivocation]

I have our WR group in the 8-12 range. It's not just about top 2 WR anymore.

Guyton and Palmer are both young with upside so that can change. They both add skill sets Allen and Williams aren't great with.

As I've said lisaia bunch now, Guyton is most dangerous from the slot. His productivity per snap on seam routes is outstanding. He's not a great X receiver. MW is the usually the flanker. Palmer is more built to be an X. KA can play all spots, but is mostly x or slot.

A 4 WR set with:

X (LOS)- Palmer
Flanker - MW
Weak slot (LOS) - KA
Strong slot - Guyton

Can do damage.

[equivocation]

The 60 yard TD catch vs NYG Guyton was in the slot on the LOS but the Giants didn't cover him. Palmer was the flanker with MW the X. Get him to speed and he can really threaten both safeties

I think he had another good slot catch on a glance RPO vs the Giants. Also uncovered so he had a glean get off.

The sideline catch vs Raiders right before MW TD at end Guyton was the flanker and the Raiders had 3 way deep so he could get off the line.

He just doesn't do well vs press, watching LVR, BAL, NE again it stands out. It takes too long for him to get into the route and throws off the timing for Hebert and gives the safeties time to see the field. He's supposed to be pushing the safeties back but just doesn't because the CB rides him. He struggles playing the sideline too.

Watching again I would also like to see us spread the offense more, these tight formations just don't open up lanes fast enough with our WR. Guyton and MW both do much better when the O is spread. I know it helps move the D off of leverage because all WR can break both ways, but we just don't get to breaks fast enough.

If anyone knows where to find it I would love to see passing EPA/play from wide vs tight formations.

[equivocation]

Among WRs with at least 35 targets Guyton was 99 out of 116 in yards per route run last year. He played 65% of snaps. Last in targets per route run. I'd much rather put him in the slot and run him straight at the safeties.


You'll have to filter it yourself if you want to check.

https://upsidefantasy.shinyapps.io/stats/

[equivocation]

Last Guyton note. His snap count went way up last year and, because he's a vertical but not very physical receiver, this resulted in him running a LOT of yards through a lot of tight coverage. There were times he was visibly gassed. Keeping him fresh as a specialist playing 30%-35% of snaps will let him be more effective as a deep threat.

Despite his listed size he's not very physical and has trouble maintaining speed through contact. He also doesn't have the natural body control to make contested catches. These aren't traits suitable for a boundary WR. He was a poor #3 WR last year. IMO he was our worst starter on O.

I hope he has a long and well compensated career as a #4 WR, or he develops some more tools to be a #3 WR. I don't see it though.