AFC West Roster Positional Rankings

[TexanBeerlover]

Funny, times Guyton flashed he always seemed battling or making contested catches with YAC. Thought of him as feisty, competitive. Not going back to revisit film but will pay closer attention this coming season.

[sonorajim]

Is this about WR position only or receiving production?

[Velo]

Among WRs with at least 35 targets Guyton was 99 out of 116 in yards per route run last year. He played 65% of snaps. Last in targets per route run. I'd much rather put him in the slot and run him straight at the safeties.


You'll have to filter it yourself if you want to check.

https://upsidefantasy.shinyapps.io/stats/

Guyton played 51.25 percent of offensive snaps in 2021. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...nap-counts.htm

[Velo]

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

Funny, times Guyton flashed he always seemed battling or making contested catches with YAC. Thought of him as feisty, competitive. Not going back to revisit film but will pay closer attention this coming season.

Remember this play in Cincy? Guyton ran right by the DB but Herb was late with the throw and he underthrew Guyton, who had to wait for it as the DB came crashing into him but Guyton wrestled the ball away. Also in that game Guyton had a long YAC catch, breaking tackles, carrying guys, finally pulled down at the 1/2 yd line. I think this is the game in which Guyton arrived. Guyton is probably going to be the 4th or 5th leading receiver for the Bolts in 2022. Palmer will probably have more catches/yardage, as will Ekeler. Guyton will probably not be utilized to his full potential due to the sheer talent ahead of him. But no other teams has a 4th or 5th receiving option on their roster who does what Guyton does. That is why I say the Chargers have the deepest WR corps in the league.

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

[Boltjolt]

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

Remember this play in Cincy? Guyton ran right by the DB but Herb was late with the throw and he underthrew Guyton, who had to wait for it as the DB came crashing into him but Guyton wrestled the ball away. Also in that game Guyton had a long YAC catch, breaking tackles, carrying guys, finally pulled down at the 1/2 yd line. I think this is the game in which Guyton arrived. Guyton is probably going to be the 4th or 5th leading receiver for the Bolts in 2022. Palmer will probably have more catches/yardage, as will Ekeler. Guyton will probably not be utilized to his full potential due to the sheer talent ahead of him. But no other teams has a 4th or 5th receiving option on their roster who does what Guyton does. That is why I say the Chargers have the deepest WR corps in the league.

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

Link don't work... And again, I call bullshit on your claim.

[TexanBeerlover]

Link don't work... And again, I call bullshit on your claim.

I named seven teams. Who isn't as good as Guyton on those teams as their #4 or #5 option which I know you are including Ekeler.
I didn't even name Pittsburgh who their RB Harris had more receptions then Ekeler and a Rookie TE who had a pretty damn good year for them last season.

Guyton had 31 receptions last season. Their rookie TE Friermuth started nine games and had 60 receptions. Then add Dionte Johnson and Chase Claypool... Way Better than Guyton and they drafted George Pickens. QB will be their issue, not the weapons.

is Harris drafted 1st rd, Friermuth 2nd rd from a deteriorating QB who could only dump passes off, protection or deep threats waning, really fair comparison to Guyton/Herbert?

Think again veryourhead:

[Boltjolt]

is Harris drafted 1st rd, Friermuth 2nd rd from a deteriorating QB who could only dump passes off, protection or deep threats waning, really fair comparison to Guyton/Herbert?

Think again veryourhead:

Not really but I didn't set the presidence and you might be misunderstanding.

I'm arguing groups of recieving corps. Has nothing to do with where players are drafted. That was never mentioned.

He is saying our group of recievers are the best in the league and Guyton is the best 4th-5th reciever in the league.
I'm saying it isn't really close. We might be top 10 at best.

Those 2 guys plus their WRs Johnson, Claypool and throw in Pickens who is unknown right now, and they have Anthoney Miller who has had better seasons than Guyton and Palmer.........are better than Guyton.
This is just one example. I named 7 other teams without breaking down their players.

[Guest]

I personally rank Herbert #2, behind Mahomes. I can see why some would have Wilson #2, even though I think he will struggle a bit in Denver, similarly to other quarterbacks who moved on to different teams in their thirties. McNabb in Washington and Minnesota comes to mind, as does Favre with the Jets. Carr? Don't make me laugh.

There is no way that Mahomes is better than Herbert. Herbert was better than Mahomes last year and that gap should widen going forward. Seeing them live against each other in KC last year, I could really appreciate the difference between the two. Herbert is bigger, faster, and better as an athlete and he throws a much better ball than Mahomes does. I would take Herbert over Mahomes any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Mahomes has benefitted mightily from having arguably the game's best play caller in Reid to begin his career as a starter. He had the reigning #1 RB in the NFL. He had the game's best TE and he had the game's most dangerous, disruptive and best WR in terms of game impact in Tyreek Hill. His OL was loaded. And I have never seen such a stat padded season as his 2018 season in terms of TD passes. But those days are gone. Hunt is long gone. Hill is gone (thank goodness). Kelce is slowing down and can be contained as long as we do not defend him with a 7th round draft pick or street free agent.

Wilson is very good, but not quite as good as either Herbert or Mahomes. Carr is an above average QB, but clearly the 4th best QB of the group.

I disagree with others that place any sort of significance on the accomplishments of Mahomes' team (reaching the playoff or Super Bowl). That is what his team did, not what he did. If we walk down that road, pretty soon we will start joining idiot Giants fans that think that Eli Manning was better than Philip Rivers.

[Guest]

Among WRs with at least 35 targets Guyton was 99 out of 116 in yards per route run last year. He played 65% of snaps. Last in targets per route run. I'd much rather put him in the slot and run him straight at the safeties.

by design
You'll have to filter it yourself if you want to check.

https://upsidefantasy.shinyapps.io/stats/

Lombardi misused Guyton for most of the season last year so those stats are misleading to the extent they are used to malign Guyton. They are pretty good evidence of Lombardi's shortcomings as a play caller, though, which is something that received national media attention last season.

[Guest]

Last Guyton note. His snap count went way up last year and, because he's a vertical but not very physical receiver, this resulted in him running a LOT of yards through a lot of tight coverage. There were times he was visibly gassed. Keeping him fresh as a specialist playing 30%-35% of snaps will let him be more effective as a deep threat.

Despite his listed size he's not very physical and has trouble maintaining speed through contact. He also doesn't have the natural body control to make contested catches. These aren't traits suitable for a boundary WR. He was a poor #3 WR last year. IMO he was our worst starter on O.

I hope he has a long and well compensated career as a #4 WR, or he develops some more tools to be a #3 WR. I don't see it though.

No disrespect intended, but Guyton's snap count went way down last year compared to 2020 when he actually led all Charger WRs in snaps played with 920. Also, regardless of physicality, Guyton has very good contact balance. There have been plenty of plays when it seemed like he should have gone down from contact and yet he did not.

Again, calling Guyton a poor #3 WR after Lombardi absolutely butchered his use of Guyton is just wrong. He could be a very good #3 WR for our team because he complements Williams and Allen very well in that he offers what they do not and forces defenses to respect the deep passing game (helping Williams and Allen) and he gives us a speed based deep passing game when used properly.

He is actually a better fit with Allen and Williams than Palmer is, but Lombardi is hell bent on ignoring that reality. If our top two WRs were big time deep speed receivers, then I would say that Palmer would be a better fit as the #3 WR, but that is not the case with our team.

[Guest]

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

Remember this play in Cincy? Guyton ran right by the DB but Herb was late with the throw and he underthrew Guyton, who had to wait for it as the DB came crashing into him but Guyton wrestled the ball away. Also in that game Guyton had a long YAC catch, breaking tackles, carrying guys, finally pulled down at the 1/2 yd line. I think this is the game in which Guyton arrived. Guyton is probably going to be the 4th or 5th leading receiver for the Bolts in 2022. Palmer will probably have more catches/yardage, as will Ekeler. Guyton will probably not be utilized to his full potential due to the sheer talent ahead of him. But no other teams has a 4th or 5th receiving option on their roster who does what Guyton does. That is why I say the Chargers have the deepest WR corps in the league.

https://www.chargers.com/video/justi...t-week-13-2021

Yes, I remember both plays. And yes, Guyton does have good contact balance as evidenced by the play at the 11:34 mark of the 4th quarter of the CIN game, though I think the trait is even better displayed by some other plays. I would say Guyton's contact balance is the second best on the team next to Ekeler. And yes, Guyton did play 51.25% of the offensive snaps last year. He played 155 more snaps than Palmer did last year after leading the team in WR snaps in 2020 with 920.

I agree that Palmer is likely to have more catches and targets this season than Guyton and I also believe that our offense will suffer because of it. Don't get me wrong, it will still be ranked very high in terms of points and yards, but I believe it would be even better if we used Guyton more and Palmer less to avoid having slow, slower and slowest on the field at the same time and letting defenses squat on us in the passing game. The situation reminds me of Gordon versus Ekeler where one player is a significant value draft pick and the other is an UDFA who happens to be more explosive/athletically gifted. For a time, the team forced Gordon on us and so it seems like it will be with Palmer.

And complicating things further, Carter is a legitimate WR also. His number of targets for WAS last year rivaled those of Guyton and Palmer. Lots of hands to share one ball even before considering Ekeler, Everett and Parham, which is why it was so obvious that we were never going to use an early draft pick on a WR.

[DerwinBosa]

There is no way that Mahomes is better than Herbert. Herbert was better than Mahomes last year and that gap should widen going forward. Seeing them live against each other in KC last year, I could really appreciate the difference between the two. Herbert is bigger, faster, and better as an athlete and he throws a much better ball than Mahomes does. I would take Herbert over Mahomes any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Mahomes has benefitted mightily from having arguably the game's best play caller in Reid to begin his career as a starter. He had the reigning #1 RB in the NFL. He had the game's best TE and he had the game's most dangerous, disruptive and best WR in terms of game impact in Tyreek Hill. His OL was loaded. And I have never seen such a stat padded season as his 2018 season in terms of TD passes. But those days are gone. Hunt is long gone. Hill is gone (thank goodness). Kelce is slowing down and can be contained as long as we do not defend him with a 7th round draft pick or street free agent.

Wilson is very good, but not quite as good as either Herbert or Mahomes. Carr is an above average QB, but clearly the 4th best QB of the group.

I disagree with others that place any sort of significance on the accomplishments of Mahomes' team (reaching the playoff or Super Bowl). That is what his team did, not what he did. If we walk down that road, pretty soon we will start joining idiot Giants fans that think that Eli Manning was better than Philip Rivers.

There is absolutely no comparison between Eli Manning and Patrick Mahomes.

Eli was an average quarterback who gets too much credit for his Super Bowl victories, when they were really superior gameplans developed by Tom Coughlin and his staffs, and defenses (particularly their pass-rushers) pounding Brady.

Mahomes has one regular-season MVP so far, and has thrown 50, 38, and 37 touchdown passes in three of the seasons he's been a full-time starter. The one year he didn't reach 30 touchdown passes was when he was injured a few games. He has only 37 interceptions in 63 career starts. He's a two-time All-Pro, one of them first team. Herbert very well could achieve the same as or better than what Mahomes has and will accomplish, but as of right now ranking Herbert higher is pure homerism.