2022 Training Camp Thread

[TexanBeerlover]

Let's watch preseason games.
Ek & Spiller are locks. Kelley, Rountree, Marks, Brown & Horvath will get some snaps vs to the ground contact.
just a guy is meaningless, talking about extra depth at a position. they have to be a better player. could be STs.
10 DBs, 4 Edge, 6 DL, 5 LBs
3QB, 5 RB/ FB, 5 WR, 3 TE, 9 OL 3 Specialists
It may get juggled a little, not much.

Sheer #’s each position hopefully add QUALITY DEPTH, known Charger killer based off past injury history, but would still rather have that depth in secondary & trenches. Not RB/LB or even QB. That’s all I’m saying.

listened to interviews with Rountree/Kelly, just from personality standpoint, very different and each brings alternate versions/strengths @ RB position but neither will be confused w/RB 2. It’s a battle for RB 3. I can understand if they like their players as people and teammates, I’ve just seen this bite the head coach more often than not from keeping players based on off the field chemistry as opposed to on the field production.

[Steve]

Some of the evaluation process is how much progress does a player make. Games are a good way of judging that. Also, as much grief as people give them, PS games are a step up from practice. GUys aren't seeing the same looks and the same techniques they see every day.

PS games are still the only developmental league the NFL has. Other sports have developmental leagues, even though, mostly players come in with already develop fundamentals. Football, you just don't get the reps and so many guys take up the sport later. While coaching at low levels is better than it ever has been, at least when I coached pee wee, a lot of coaches made little or no effort to teach players how to do things. Attitude was considered everything, and they relied on that being good enough. So, no sport needs a developmental league more than the NFL, and yet no other sport does less to develop players. Is it any wonder that every team ALWAYS has holes.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Some of the evaluation process is how much progress does a player make. Games are a good way of judging that. Also, as much grief as people give them, PS games are a step up from practice. GUys aren't seeing the same looks and the same techniques they see every day.

PS games are still the only developmental league the NFL has. Other sports have developmental leagues, even though, mostly players come in with already develop fundamentals. Football, you just don't get the reps and so many guys take up the sport later. While coaching at low levels is better than it ever has been, at least when I coached pee wee, a lot of coaches made little or no effort to teach players how to do things. Attitude was considered everything, and they relied on that being good enough. So, no sport needs a developmental league more than the NFL, and yet no other sport does less to develop players. Is it any wonder that every team ALWAYS has holes.

Really, the main problem with preseason games is charging fans regular season prices, which is ridiculous, and always has been.

[chargeroo]

It may help to know that NFL Draft Buzz lumps all the O-linemen together in their rankings. So, Zion's #11 overall ranking was including all the OT's, G and C. He was actually the #3 ranked G overall, after Green and Raimann, so pretty close to your ranking. Also interesting to note that Zion had a better pass pro ranking than Green. Green was ranked #5 overall for O-linemen:

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https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...-OL-TexasAANDM

Thanks for helping me out on this one.

[Riverwalk]

listened to interviews with Rountree/Kelly, just from personality standpoint, very different and each brings alternate versions/strengths @ RB position but neither will be confused w/RB 2. It’s a battle for RB 3. .

some players aren’t instant successes and require a few years to blossom. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kelly, in particular, becomes RB 2 this season. Spiller could be a bust. It’s too early to tell based on non contact scrimmages.

[wu-dai clan]

some players aren’t instant successes and require a few years to blossom. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kelly, in particular, becomes RB 2 this season. Spiller could be a bust. It’s too early to tell based on non contact scrimmages.

Based upon TPB poster observations, I have gone looking for examples of late blooming RBs.
Ahhh...I'll keep looking.

Meanwhile it is quite true that RBs display their chops early and often, then the lights go out.

Justin Jackson was instinctive with vision and well utilitized jump cuts.

Now Kelley has realized that, at the NFL level, you must live the game. He has gone to work. The holes will be better.

One of Joshua's things is simply hitting the holes promptly. He's understanding the importance of details, such as pass pro technique and ball security.

It is very plausible to project success, especially with Kelley hearing the thunder of Spiller footsteps.

[QSmokey]

some players aren’t instant successes and require a few years to blossom. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kelly, in particular, becomes RB 2 this season. Spiller could be a bust. It’s too early to tell based on non contact scrimmages.

Up to this point, Kelley has been a bust. If Spiller doesn't pan out this year, is he going to be given the same leeway? Kelley has more to prove than Spiller, IMO. He's already had his chances. It would be hard for Spiller to be any worse in his first 2 years than Kelley has been so far. And yeah, I'm down on Kelley. He's shown nothing up to this point.

[Charge!]

some players aren’t instant successes and require a few years to blossom. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kelly, in particular, becomes RB 2 this season. Spiller could be a bust. It’s too early to tell based on non contact scrimmages.

RB's are usually the position that can start earliest....... RB's are usually good or not...... some might be great athletes but struggle because they are not smart enough to learn playbook.....but that is rare.... so generally if a RB sucks his first 2 years or more he is not going to suddenly get better....... now if you had a great backup who looks awesome in practice but is sittimg behind a future HOF RB like LT then its possible to start and impress years later.....

Kelly does not have great skills, neither does Roundtree, so both are very limited on how good they can be......

Spiller has great skills, so he has great upside and he has been very impressive in camp so far, especially at catching the ball. Big difference between him and the other 2. He should be listed as #2 sometime before regular season......

[blueman]

Whats wrong with ASJ?

Yeah, haven’t see anything.

[dmac_bolt]

RB's are usually the position that can start earliest....... RB's are usually good or not...... some might be great athletes but struggle because they are not smart enough to learn playbook.....but that is rare.... so generally if a RB sucks his first 2 years or more he is not going to suddenly get better....... now if you had a great backup who looks awesome in practice but is sittimg behind a future HOF RB like LT then its possible to start and impress years later.....

Kelly does not have great skills, neither does Roundtree, so both are very limited on how good they can be......

Spiller has great skills, so he has great upside and he has been very impressive in camp so far, especially at catching the ball. Big difference between him and the other 2. He should be listed as #2 sometime before regular season......

I was expecting Spiller to be a walk away #2 but I’ve been reading absolutely nothing on him. All ive read is Kelly this Kelly that … i need better sources

[TexanBeerlover]

some players aren’t instant successes and require a few years to blossom. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kelly, in particular, becomes RB 2 this season. Spiller could be a bust. It’s too early to tell based on non contact scrimmages.

Kelly was drafted under different coaching staff. Wouldn’t surprise me if Rountree was favorite of former special teams coordinator Swinton, and honestly, throw him into LB mix, another area of need, yet to resolve itself. He has the base and thickness, that would add value. But honestly both are just great people who fit and are coachable. Just low ceiling @ RB position.

let’s compare 6rd picks #214 Ja’Sir Taylor CB with #198 Larry Rountree RB. Position wise CB carries with it a much higher value from the start. Lucky for Ja’Sir Chargers brought in free agent Bryce Callahan to mentor him. Same time Larry has Austin, different styles but pick up a skill, for example receiving in the flats, tackle avoidance, something elite.

Has Rountree flashed in camp? Is it enough? Well Ja’Sir has flashed and looks like a promising young slot corner to follow in Callahan shoes. Hate to pass one up for the other.

[Riverwalk]

Based upon TPB poster observations, I have gone looking for examples of late blooming RBs.
Ahhh...I'll keep looking.

Meanwhile it is quite true that RBs display their chops early and often, then the lights go out.

Justin Jackson was instinctive with vision and well utilitized jump cuts.

Now Kelley has realized that, at the NFL level, you must live the game. He has gone to work. The holes will be better.

One of Joshua's things is simply hitting the holes promptly. He's understanding the importance of details, such as pass pro technique and ball security.

It is very plausible to project success, especially with Kelley hearing the thunder of Spiller footsteps.

It wasn’t Spiller’s footsteps because Kelley said he changed his nutrition and workouts this past offseason to improve explosiveness and strength.

He recognized his deficiencies last season and focused to improve them.

and there’s plenty of examples of RB’s who took a few years to emerge. James White, SB MVP, had two forgettable years before he excelled for the Patriots.

LT’s best year was his 6th in the league.

Could we please wait for at least the preseason games before we throw players under the bus?