Seahawks @ Chargers Pre Game Thread (Week 7)

[richpjr]

Lombardi has hampered Herbert quite a bit, similarly to Stafford when he OC'd for the Lions. Compare Herbert in 2020 to now, it's almost a night and day difference. Herbert doesn't have the same poise, or decision-making ability and processing compared to 2020, where he was arguably under a hell of a lot more duress, considering that 2020 O-Line was god awful. I, for one, was more impressed with his play that pandemic year than 2021 or this season.

People have this weird memory of the glory days when Steichen was here. The stats were better across the board in 2021 under Lombardi than they were in 2020 under Steichen.

Are people really surprised that the O is not putting up the same numbers this year with our #1 receiver playing 2 quarters in the year, our lone deep threat out, Parham missing the first 4 games, our line having severe injuries and shuffling players in and out and most importantly, our QB has messed up ribs. Of course we are not going to put up the same numbers, especially against an elite defense like Denver. The takes are just so bizzare.

[CivilBolt]

What did he say?

(Denver's defense is very good though and with the OLine in flux - it was a tough for Herbert to make longer than 6 yard throws)

Yup every screen passes that worked against other teams got blown up real quick. They were just too fast. Even Ek couldn’t shake them off.

[jaguarmanftype]

People have this weird memory of the glory days when Steichen was here. The stats were better across the board in 2021 under Lombardi than they were in 2020 under Steichen.

Are people really surprised that the O is not putting up the same numbers this year with our #1 receiver playing 2 quarters in the year, our lone deep threat out, Parham missing the first 4 games, our line having severe injuries and shuffling players in and out and most importantly, our QB has messed up ribs. Of course we are not going to put up the same numbers, especially against an elite defense like Denver. The takes are just so bizzare.

Not sure where you're seeing that Herbert's stats were better in 2021. On a percentage basis, his stats were better in 2020 with a worse offensive line and an incompetent head coach under the helm, at least according to Pro Football Reference. Higher completion percentage, higher QB Rating, lower interception ratio in 2020. Of course, overall, his total passing yards were higher in 2021 considering he started 2 more games.

[jamrock]

Will Parham play? Did they mention on TV what kept him out? He was off to a great start last night.

[CivilBolt]

Will Parham play? Did they mention on TV what kept him out? He was off to a great start last night.

I saw he hit the turf hard on the long completion he had. He might be under concussion protocol.

[Bolt4Knob]

People have this weird memory of the glory days when Steichen was here. The stats were better across the board in 2021 under Lombardi than they were in 2020 under Steichen.

Are people really surprised that the O is not putting up the same numbers this year with our #1 receiver playing 2 quarters in the year, our lone deep threat out, Parham missing the first 4 games, our line having severe injuries and shuffling players in and out and most importantly, our QB has messed up ribs. Of course we are not going to put up the same numbers, especially against an elite defense like Denver. The takes are just so bizzare.

Right! Have to give credit to the Broncos defense. That defense is legit - very good. The Chargers will probably not play a better defense the rest of the year

[richpjr]

Not sure where you're seeing that Herbert's stats were better in 2021. On a percentage basis, his stats were better in 2020 with a worse offensive line and an incompetent head coach under the helm, at least according to Pro Football Reference. Higher completion percentage, higher QBR, lower interception ratio in 2020. Of course, overall, his total passing yards were higher in 2021 considering he started 2 more games.

Valid points about the number of games started and more interceptions (though more games equals more chances for interceptions).

But the things people complain about Lombardi vs Steichen are the dink and dunk approach that Lombardi is ripped for because we never go deep. The reality is that in 2021 vs 2020, Herbert had

A higher yards per pass attempt
A higher yards per pass completion
The exact same adjusted yards per pass attempt
More passing yards per game
A higher percentage of TDs per pass attempt
A higher QBR rating
A lower percentage of sacks per pass attempt
A higher net yards gained per pass attempt
A higher adjusted net yards per pass attempt

He also had 3 more wins, 4 more 4th quarter comebacks and 2 more game winning drives.

So while rosters turnover year to year and things are never static, the notion that because Lombardi is running a ball control offense that we have massively regressed is simply not true. The reality is that we gained more yards and more TDs per pass attempt under Lombardi than we did under Steichen. Isn't that much more important than average air yards per attempt if the results are better?

[richpjr]

Right! Have to give credit to the Broncos defense. That defense is legit - very good. The Chargers will probably not play a better defense the rest of the year

The 49ers D scares the hell out of me. Hopefully we have Allen and Linsley back healthy then.

[Bolt4Knob]

The 49ers D scares the hell out of me. Hopefully we have Allen and Linsley back healthy then.

Good call. They are pretty fast too. Stout DLine as well. And for sure, need Allen and Linsley healthy. I truly hope, win or loss, Staley gives the team off next week to get physically better

Three straight against the NFC. Not a bad thing to get a guy like Bosa back healthy. Not that wins don't count the same but NFC losses are not as bad as AFC losses

[richpjr]

Will Parham play? Did they mention on TV what kept him out? He was off to a great start last night.

He had 3 catches for 53 yards. He did hit the ground hard and come out - not sure if he went back in after that or not.

[Bolt4Knob]

He had 3 catches for 53 yards. He did hit the ground hard and come out - not sure if he went back in after that or not.

Rich - a bit off topic - how do you feel about the new staidum in Nashville. Love the venue - right across the river and next to Nissan. But I am sure the cost will be paid by you all. Unless they can just charge for tourism and what not

[Velo]

People have this weird memory of the glory days when Steichen was here. The stats were better across the board in 2021 under Lombardi than they were in 2020 under Steichen.

Steichen deserves a lot of credit for his role in Herbert's sensational rookie year, especially given the circumstances. Then he goes to Philly and look what he's doing there with Hurts. Give Steichen his due. If the Eagles get deep into the playoffs, look for Steichen to be a hot head coaching candidate in 2023.