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  • Touchy Subject....How is Derwin James "Elite"?

    I've watched a ton of football most of my life but I am more of a basketball X&Os guy. So I'm asking the football X&O guys this question.

    Is Derwin James a Joker of all trades and a master of none? What I mean by this is he gets all the votes for all pro and everyone raves about how versatile he is. That maybe true but is he an elite safety? He does a lot but I don't see elite traits in any of those things. He takes bad tackling angles at times, gets burnt in coverage, and overruns pressures. The defense also seems to play a tad more fundamental when he is out. I love the guys passion and motor but can anyone enlighten me on this? If you think I'm crazy, go ahead and tell me, that is fine because I'm just curious and probably ignorant about Football X&Os.

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    Fair question at this point.
    Nunc Coepi 01.14.23

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BigBad View Post
      I've watched a ton of football most of my life but I am more of a basketball X&Os guy. So I'm asking the football X&O guys this question.

      Is Derwin James a Joker of all trades and a master of none? What I mean by this is he gets all the votes for all pro and everyone raves about how versatile he is. That maybe true but is he an elite safety? He does a lot but I don't see elite traits in any of those things. He takes bad tackling angles at times, gets burnt in coverage, and overruns pressures. The defense also seems to play a tad more fundamental when he is out. I love the guys passion and motor but can anyone enlighten me on this? If you think I'm crazy, go ahead and tell me, that is fine because I'm just curious and probably ignorant about Football X&Os.
      He i an All Pro, but Staley does stretch him way to thin. I actually think the way Gus Bradley played Derwin was better. He does many things well but its time to streamline his role and take some things (Nickle) off his pate

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BigBad View Post
        I've watched a ton of football most of my life but I am more of a basketball X&Os guy. So I'm asking the football X&O guys this question.

        Is Derwin James a Joker of all trades and a master of none? What I mean by this is he gets all the votes for all pro and everyone raves about how versatile he is. That maybe true but is he an elite safety? He does a lot but I don't see elite traits in any of those things. He takes bad tackling angles at times, gets burnt in coverage, and overruns pressures. The defense also seems to play a tad more fundamental when he is out. I love the guys passion and motor but can anyone enlighten me on this? If you think I'm crazy, go ahead and tell me, that is fine because I'm just curious and probably ignorant about Football X&Os.
        He’s the best safety on the team by a long shot. As far as criticizing players, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

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        • #5
          The whole split-safety, Staley/Fangio scheme is predicated on his versatility, which I do think obscures his impact some. It's like how Merriman and Phillips got all the fanfare in Wade Phillips's 3-4 defense but Jamal was the guy that made it all possible. The defense "seems to play more fundamental" when he is out because Staley has to run an entirely different scheme when he's out, he has to simplify coverages and play way more press rather than trying to sit back and confuse the QB every play. I'm really turning against the whole Staley/Fangio style of defense.

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          • #6
            Take any evaluation of him since his quad injury with a grain of salt. He's been a lot more injured than we were told. He's been running at maybe 60%

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

              He’s the best safety on the team by a long shot. As far as criticizing players, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
              Agree and that position is not a strength of the team at all. It's kind of my concern.

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              • #8
                Admin: I modified the title, as it really isn't a touchy subject. I'll change titles if I consider it 'click bait'. Just state the topic.

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                • #9
                  I would play James like Troy letting him freelance around the LOS, especialy play more press coverage. Now on 2nd and 3rd and long be Ed Reed playing center field for picks. James stinks in coverage like Troy did.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HerbieParadigm View Post
                    I would play James like Troy letting him freelance around the LOS, especialy play more press coverage. Now on 2nd and 3rd and long be Ed Reed playing center field for picks. James stinks in coverage like Troy did.
                    We should be seeing a Troy or Ed level player with all the hype he gets but we're not even seeing a Rodney level player. I think he's overrated and overpaid.

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                    • #12
                      i trust the players to know who is best safety in NFL

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