Ravens at Chargers (+3.5) Pregame Discussion (Wk 12)

[Lefty2SLO]

I was going to ask about that too...lol... becaue I'm a history buff....

Germans were very smart because they realized they only build a small navy, so they made ships that were too fast to catch by any ship with large enough guns to beat it..... Bismark and Tirpitz were the fastest heavy battleships ever made until the Iowa, wisconsin, missouri, and new jersey, which were were built later and slightly faster..... Sharnhorst and its sistership (starting with a g but I cant spell it..lol) were essentially fast heavy cruisers but with 11 inch guns vs typical 8 inchers on most heavy cruisers.... which means they could out run battleships and shoot other cruisers or other ships before they were in range.... ideal for their purpose of being shipping raiders....

Germans figured out it was more important to compartment ships into thousands of water tight compartments instead of just having super thick exterior armor belt... if Titanic was built that way, it never would have sunk..... those ships sank very slowly.....

And it took a hell of a lot of damage to sink one . . . . . . . . .

[Velo]

I was going to ask about that too...lol... becaue I'm a history buff....

Germans were very smart because they realized they only build a small navy, so they made ships that were too fast to catch by any ship with large enough guns to beat it..... Bismark and Tirpitz were the fastest heavy battleships ever made until the Iowa, wisconsin, missouri, and new jersey, which were were built later and slightly faster..... Sharnhorst and its sistership (starting with a g but I cant spell it..lol) were essentially fast heavy cruisers but with 11 inch guns vs typical 8 inchers on most heavy cruisers.... which means they could out run battleships and shoot other cruisers or other ships before they were in range.... ideal for their purpose of being shipping raiders....

Germans figured out it was more important to compartment ships into thousands of water tight compartments instead of just having super thick exterior armor belt... if Titanic was built that way, it never would have sunk..... those ships sank very slowly.....

Hitler made the mistake of building too many surface capital ships, he was never going to out-gun the Royal Navy on the surface. He should've let Doenitz do what he wanted and concentrate the Kriegsmarine's resources more on the submarine fleet. The Royal Navy sunk or put out of action almost every surface capital ship the Germans had. They sunk the Bismarck and bottled up the Tirpitz in Norwegian sea and eventually sunk her too. They induced the captain of the Graf Spee to scuttle his own ship. They knocked the Gneisenau (sister ship to Scharnhorst) out of action. The Prince Eugen, not quite a battleship, was the only German surface capital ship to survive the war. The biggest threat to Britain in the war was the battle of the Atlantic, where the Germans almost succeeded with submarines. The Tirpitz was the sister ship to the Bismarck. The British commandos sealed her fate when they rammed a destroyer into the dry dock at St. Nazaire and blew it up in March 1942, the most spectacular raid of the war. That kept the Tirpitz out of the Atlantic, because it was the only dry dock on Atlantic capable of servicing her. The British wanted to follow up the St. Nazaire raid with an even more spectacular assault, so they cooked up the raid at Dieppe in August 1942 to try to seize an upgraded four-rotor German Enigma decoding machine. My father was in on that raid, but it was poorly planned and botched from the beginning. Most of the raiding force was killed or captured, including my dad. He spent the rest of the war in German POW camps.

[Charge!]

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If we can keep this game close and have a chance to win at the end I'd credit the team (and BS) for performing beyond expectations. What did you expect? I don't need to manufacture, fabricate or embellish the circumstances to illustrate how bad BS is - he's doing that quite well on his own. I don't play that game anyway - I'm here to have discussions and vent a little - not try to win internet arguments.

Sorry man - our HC does suck, and has sucked. I'm impressed by your continued defense of him, but it doesn't change the facts . . . . . . . . If we had John Harbaugh and Baltimore had BS I'd feel a hell of a lot better about this game. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Having these coaching discussions with you reminds me of the good old days (last summer) arguing with d-mac and sonorajim . . . . . . . . . fond memories

I agree.... its just too obvious.... Staley does things that are absolutely inexcusable..... lol
for example, this team is extremely injury nprone and coach knows it, yet knowing this, he inexcusably played his valuable starters for 3/4 of a MEANINGLESS end of season game.... stuoidly losing MW for the entire playoffs????... with ANY other ownership, Staley would have been fired immediately after that game......but instead stupid cheap ownership kept him so he could coach us to lose playoff game to JAX......

Chargers had like the easiest schedule in NFL last year, but apparently being just around .500 and squeezing into playoffs against weak competition is enough to keep Staley's job as a very bad chargers coach???

and im not even mentioning the 2 boneheaded failed 4th down attempts(bad decisions and play calls) against vikes and raiders that gave those teams the ball in red zone with an opportunity to win those games and we just squeaked because of crazy stupid luck????..we should have lost both those games and Staley should have been fired then.....

[Charge!]

Hitler made the mistake of building too many surface capital ships, he was never going to out-gun the Royal Navy on the surface. He should've let Doenitz do what he wanted and concentrate the Kriegsmarine's resources more on the submarine fleet. The Royal Navy sunk or put out of action almost every surface capital ship the Germans had. They sunk the Bismarck and bottled up the Tirpitz in Norwegian sea and eventually sunk her too. They induced the captain of the Graf Spee to scuttle his own ship. They knocked the Gneisenau (sister ship to Scharnhorst) out of action. The Prince Eugen, not quite a battleship, was the only German surface capital ship to survive the war. The biggest threat to Britain in the war was the battle of the Atlantic, where the Germans almost succeeded with submarines. The Tirpitz was the sister ship to the Bismarck. The British commandos sealed her fate when they rammed a destroyer into the dry dock at St. Nazaire and blew it up in March 1942, the most spectacular raid of the war. That kept the Tirpitz out of the Atlantic, because it was the only dry dock on Atlantic capable of servicing her. The British wanted to follow up the St. Nazaire raid with an even more spectacular assault, so they cooked up the raid at Dieppe in August 1942 to try to seize an upgraded four-rotor German Enigma decoding machine. My father was in on that raid, but it was poorly planned and botched from the beginning. Most of the raiding force was killed or captured, including my dad. He spent the rest of the war in German POW camps.

That is an amazing history!... and its cool that your dad was part of it and survived it!...

I knew Tirpitz was kept up hidden in Norway fiords so there was a threat to shipping going to Russia..... nev er knew they blew up the only place Tirpitz could go if it ever ventured to the atlantic....
I know British tried many times to bomb Tirpitz, before finally being successfull....
True, the submarines were the greatest threat......

[Boltjolt]

This could be reminiscent of last years Nathaniel Hackett game when Denver got blown out by 50 to the Rams on Christmas Day and got run outta town the next day.

I don’t think Baltimore is that difficult to stop because Lamar can’t read pressure or coverages and is massively susceptible to the blitz, but teams seem not to play them correctly and they always score at least 30, and that’s against pretty solid defenses. They could easily hit 50 against this matador defense and that might be enough to get Staley run outta town next Monday.

Add us to the list.

[Charge!]

Sorry for going off topic.....a little ways..... but history was more interesting than this game or ripping into Staley!.... lol

[Topcat]

Hitler made the mistake of building too many surface capital ships, he was never going to out-gun the Royal Navy on the surface. He should've let Doenitz do what he wanted and concentrate the Kriegsmarine's resources more on the submarine fleet. The Royal Navy sunk or put out of action almost every surface capital ship the Germans had. They sunk the Bismarck and bottled up the Tirpitz in Norwegian sea and eventually sunk her too. They induced the captain of the Graf Spee to scuttle his own ship. They knocked the Gneisenau (sister ship to Scharnhorst) out of action. The Prince Eugen, not quite a battleship, was the only German surface capital ship to survive the war. The biggest threat to Britain in the war was the battle of the Atlantic, where the Germans almost succeeded with submarines. The Tirpitz was the sister ship to the Bismarck. The British commandos sealed her fate when they rammed a destroyer into the dry dock at St. Nazaire and blew it up in March 1942, the most spectacular raid of the war. That kept the Tirpitz out of the Atlantic, because it was the only dry dock on Atlantic capable of servicing her. The British wanted to follow up the St. Nazaire raid with an even more spectacular assault, so they cooked up the raid at Dieppe in August 1942 to try to seize an upgraded four-rotor German Enigma decoding machine. My father was in on that raid, but it was poorly planned and botched from the beginning. Most of the raiding force was killed or captured, including my dad. He spent the rest of the war in German POW camps.

So, to draw an analogy to the Bolts, Staley's defense, like the German capital battleships, is outmoded, predictable, and fairly easy to defeat...and will ultimately lose us the current season's war, unless something changes right quick...

[Iowa70]

Lost 2. Won 2. Lost 2. Won 2. Lost 2. Win 2???

[ThatSinkingFeeling]

That is an amazing history!... and its cool that your dad was part of it and survived it!...

I knew Tirpitz was kept up hidden in Norway fiords so there was a threat to shipping going to Russia..... nev er knew they blew up the only place Tirpitz could go if it ever ventured to the atlantic....
I know British tried many times to bomb Tirpitz, before finally being successfull....
True, the submarines were the greatest threat......

After the war, the Tirpitz was used as scrap metal. It was carved up and there are still plenty of manhole covers here in Norway made from that once proud and frightening warship.

[Velo]

So, to draw an analogy to the Bolts, Staley's defense, like the German capital battleships, is outmoded, predictable, and fairly easy to defeat...and will ultimately lose us the current season's war, unless something changes right quick...

The Kriegsmarine had a few heavy hitter playmakers, but the Royal Navy had 10 times as many. That's the analogy.

[AFboltfan]

Lost 2. Won 2. Lost 2. Won 2. Lost 2. Win 2???

Just to lose 2 after that? Why would anyone want this?

[Velo]

Just to lose 2 after that? Why would anyone want this?

The Spanoses apparently.