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  • Boltjolt
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    #16861
    Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

    I get it that QJ has had some significant drops during games that cost the team dearly, which is an indication that he gets nervous or rattled in big moments, but overall his drop numbers are not any where near as bad as people make them out to be, many have posted statistics of QJs drops alongside of other WRs that many here wanted to pursue in free agency or even others that they compared him to from a draft perspective and his numbers are on par and even better than some of those players...

    by any measure QJ has already shown that he is no where near to being a bust, he proved last year that he belongs...I can see parallels in QJs story to how it took years for people to embrace Mike Williams, I might not have been posting here then but I was definitely reading along and he was consistently shredded for years because he wasn't living up to being the #7 overall pick and all that...at some point folks forgot about all that and appreciated Mike for being a great teammate, for making some game winning plays, and for giving the team everything he had...QJ wasn't drafted as high but I think he's going to win folks over in time just like Mike did, he's unselfish, no prima donna here, he's a hard worker, his teammates love the kid, his coaches love the kid, and he's still maximizing his potential...
    True....we dont like it but people act like he cant catch at all. Some here wanted us to trade for or sign the Giants Darius Slayton and if you ask their fans they say he cant catch a cold.....but some here wanted him lol.

    QJ stats his first two years are better than Davante Adams so im encouraged he will keep improving. But here it dont matter. He can have 100 catches and drop one and its " fuck that guy, get rid of him".

    This is the year to judge him! Year 3, not as a rookie and last year he made a jump. Judge him this year!

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    • dmac_bolt
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      #16862
      Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

      True....we dont like it but people act like he cant catch at all. Some here wanted us to trade for or sign the Giants Darius Slayton and if you ask their fans they say he cant catch a cold.....but some here wanted him lol.

      QJ stats his first two years are better than Davante Adams so im encouraged he will keep improving. But here it dont matter. He can have 100 catches and drop one and its " fuck that guy, get rid of him".

      This is the year to judge him! Year 3, not as a rookie and last year he made a jump. Judge him this year!
      There were calls here for Cooper, he almost led the league in drops last year, double Q’s ….
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        #16863
        Chargers training camp report, Day 9: How Zion Johnson fared in first padded center snaps


        By Daniel Popper
        July 27, 2025 6:22 am MST
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        EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — Zion Johnson’s transition to center entered an important new phase in the Los Angeles Chargers’ training camp practice Saturday evening.

        Johnson played center with the starting offense in padded team drills, his first time doing so this camp. Johnson had played center with the starting offense in three previous unpadded practices. But contact and physicality increase significantly when the pads come, particularly for trench players. Johnson’s padded reps Saturday provided the first tangible benchmark as the 2022 first-round pick attempts a positional switch from guard to center. The evaluation can now begin in earnest.

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        Johnson was at center for all 16 of the starting offense’s team-drill snaps. He had positive moments. He had negative moments. Here is how the practice went.

        In the first series of 11-on-11, the starting offense faced the starting defense. On the opening play, quarterback Justin Herbert pitched to running back Omarion Hampton on a rush to the right. Johnson climbed to the second level, but he was beat by linebacker Daiyan Henley, who made a play on the ball carrier.

        On the next snap, Johnson was one-on-one in pass protection against interior defensive lineman Otito Ogbonnia. Johnson was initially in good position after the snap, but he lost his balance as Ogbonnia cut quickly to his left and won with a swim move. Johnson fell forward onto one knee as Ogbonnia burst into the backfield. Herbert got rid of the ball to Hampton on a check down to the right flat. This would have been close in game action. At bare minimum, Herbert would have taken a shot to the midsection after releasing the ball. Ogbonnia did appear to slow his rush. It could have very well been a sack or a forced incompletion as a result of a hit.

        The third snap was a handoff to Hampton up the middle. Johnson pulled from center to the right side and engaged linebacker Troy Dye in a pretty vicious collision. The Chargers pulled Johnson quite often when he was the starting left guard last season. He has explosive and fluid movement skills for his size, and this is an intriguing potential usage for Johnson as a center, as well.

        The next series was in the red zone. The starting offense went up against the starting defense again. The offense faced a first down from the 15-yard line. Herbert took the snap, and the protection was outstanding across the line, including Johnson. Herbert had time and threw in rhythm to receiver Derius Davis on a go route. Davis hauled in the pass with a sliding catch in the back of the end zone.

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        The second snap was a quick throw to running back Hassan Haskins in the flat. Herbert got rid of the ball before the pass rush had a chance to affect the play. On the third snap, Johnson pulled again, this time to his left. He looked a little indecisive as he got into space, and that delayed his cut upfield.

        The third period was nine-on-seven, a run-focused drill. The starting offense faced the starting defense again. The defense won this series, which included four snaps. Edge rusher Khalil Mack got penetration on two of the runs. Dye had a tackle for loss. Johnson came off the ball well in the period, though. He forced some interior push on the first snap. Mack derailed this run with a surge into the backfield, away from Johnson. On the third snap, Johnson and defensive lineman Teair Tart matched up in a fiery battle on the interior. Johnson held his ground and prevented any penetration.
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        The Chargers then split into two halves of the field. On one side, the offense faced the defense in seven-on-seven. On the other side, the offensive line faced the defensive line in pass rush one-on-ones. Johnson was snapping to the quarterbacks in seven-on-seven and did not participate in the one-on-ones.

        For the final three series of 11-on-11, the starting offense faced the reserve defense. On the first snap of the first series, Johnson flinched at the line of scrimmage and was flagged for a false start. On the second snap, Johnson was dominant in pass protection against defensive lineman Justin Eboigbe. Johnson had some help on the play from left guard Bradley Bozeman, who started at center for the Chargers last season. Herbert drifted to his right and delivered a perfect throw to receiver Tre’ Harris on an out route. Herbert fit the ball just past a diving pass-breakup attempt from defensive back Myles Purchase.

        On the third snap, Herbert connected with receiver Ladd McConkey in a dig route over the middle. Edge rusher Tre’Mon Morris-Brash aligned across from right tackle Joe Alt to start the play. He then broke to the inside on a stunt. Right guard Mekhi Becton stayed connected on defensive lineman Jamaree Caldwell, who was rushing to the inside of Morris-Brash. Johnson was looking to his left. As Morris-Brash twisted to the inside, Alt tried to move with him, but he had lost leverage. Morris-Brash came free up the middle while Johnson kept his eyes to the left. In a game, Herbert would have taken a hit on this play.

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        On the next snap, a third-and-6, Johnson and running back Jaret Patterson combined to pick up a blitz. Patterson did well to recognize linebacker Kana’i Mauga rushing and stood him up. Herbert was kept clean and delivered to tight end Will Dissly on a shallow stop route over the middle.

        The final two snaps, both against the reserve defense, came in a red zone period. The offense started both reps from the 25-yard line. Johnson locked down defensive lineman Christopher Hinton on both plays. These were two of his best pass-protection reps of the practice. On the first play, Herbert connected with receiver Quentin Johnston for a touchdown. On the second play, Herbert attempted a pass to McConkey on a slot fade. Rookie cornerback Nikko Reed undercut the throw and picked it off for his second interception of camp.

        “I thought he looked good,” offensive coordinator Greg Roman said of Johnson’s practice. “He did some really good things. I got to look at the tape a little closer. Out there, though, I thought he did well.” News and notes


        • Davis had three touchdowns in Saturday’s practice. On top of the 11-on-11 red zone touchdown, he added two more scores in seven-on-seven. On the first, Davis beat Ja’Sir Taylor on a post route from 19 yards out. Herbert connected with him. On the second, Davis beat rookie cornerback Eric Rogers on an out route from four yards out. Taylor Heinicke threw this touchdown.

        “He’s showing up in a big way,” Harbaugh said Friday, foreshadowing Davis’ breakout practice. “We know what he can do on teams, but I’m talking about as a receiver. He’s a legitimate weapon on offense. Very pleased with the way he’s playing.”

        In his first two seasons combined, Derius Davis caught 28 passes and had 26 rushing attempts. (Kirby Lee / Imagn Images)

        • Chargers who did not practice Saturday: tackle Rashawn Slater, cornerback Tarheeb Still, linebacker Denzel Perryman, cornerback Deane Leonard, running back Raheim Sanders, receiver Luke Grimm, tight end McCallan Castles, receiver Brenden Rice and edge rusher Garmon Randolph.

        • With Perryman not practicing, Dye was the second inside linebacker next to Henley with the starting defense. Junior Colson continued to work with the second team.

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        • Cornerback Donte Jackson left the field early in practice. With Jackson and Still out, it was Cam Hart and Reed at the outside corner spots and Taylor at nickel with the starting defense, when Derwin James Jr. was at safety.

        • Mack had two sacks in 11-on-11, including one on a third-and-7 against the second-team offense.

        • Another standout defensive player from Saturday’s practice: linebacker Emany Johnson, who had two tackles for loss in the nine-on-seven run period. Johnson also tracked down Heinicke on a play-action quarterback keeper in 11-on-11. The offense faced a fourth-and-1. Heinicke faked the handoff before sprinting to the sideline. Johnson ran with Heinicke and cut him off. Harbaugh ruled Heinicke down before the first-down marker.

        • Rookie receiver Dalevon Campbell closed out team drills with a touchdown grab. Harbaugh set the ball up at the two-yard line. The third-team offense faced a fourth-and-goal. Quarterback Trey Lance threw a fade to Campbell, who leapt over cornerback Trikweze Bridges and came down with the contested catch. Campbell is proving to have proficiency in 50-50 situations.

        • Patterson had an explosive touchdown run in nine-on-seven. Right tackle Ryan Nelson cleared the way with a pancake block on the edge. The refs threw a flag for holding, but it clearly was not a hold.

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        • Formula 21
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          #16864
          On the next snap, a third-and-6, Johnson and running back Jaret Patterson combined to pick up a blitz. Patterson did well to recognize linebacker Kana’i Mauga rushing and stood him up. Herbert was kept clean and delivered to tight end Will Dissly on a shallow stop route over the middle.

          Patterson had an explosive touchdown run in nine-on-seven. Right tackle Ryan Nelson cleared the way with a pancake block on the edge. The refs threw a flag for holding, but it clearly was not a hold.
          Jaret Patterson showing up. I expect to see him against Detroit, maybe even starting. Picking up the blitz is a great start to making the team.
          Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
          Let’s win one for Mack.

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          • Formula 21
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            #16865
            Jaret Patterson

            Analysis

            By Lance Zierlein
            NFL Analyst
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            Rounds 5-6
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            Good luck knocking this bowling ball of balance and power off his feet with a single blow. If you love production and competitiveness, Patterson is your guy. He might be short but he's plenty stout and creates a chunk of his production after contact. Besides breaking tackles, he offers decent speed to the edge and downhill elusiveness to find his own yardage when necessary. He sees the field well but can be a little hesitant in buying into certain running lanes and his choppy running style delays his burst through the line of scrimmage. He lacks pass-catching production but his courage and technique in protection was eye-opening. Some of the gargantuan production came against weaker defenses, but "hard to tackle" is a translatable trade and could make him a three-down backup. Strengths
            • Legendary work ethic and drive to prove himself to doubters.
            • Rarely puts the ball on the ground.
            • Build is compact and powerful with low center of gravity.
            • Plays with controlled transitions to alter rush track.
            • Hides behind his line and sneaks through crevices.
            • Keeps feet moving and ready throughout carry.
            • Runs with squared pads and wide base.
            • Contact balance to roll through initial contact and keep going.
            • Arm tackles need not apply.
            • Forces missed tackles and finds his own yards.
            • Loves to run right over cornerbacks.
            • Courageous in pass protection.
            • Squares up incoming rusher and blocks with proper technique.
            Weaknesses
            • Monster production came against lesser defenses.
            • Feet look a little unsure while bouncing downhill.
            • Doesn't always show trust in designed run lane.
            • Will need to eliminate early, downhill hesitations as a pro.
            • Hip tightness slows one-cut ability in outside zone.
            • Can be a bit of a one-speed runner.
            • Takes time finding acceleration after change of direction.
            • Hasn't been much of a pass-catching option.
            Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
            Let’s win one for Mack.

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            • sonorajim
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              #16866
              Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

              we have to hope that blowing your assignment is more fixable than getting your ass kicked? Wasn’t fixed for 19 games last year, I still wonder why we didnt see a new OL coach personally as I agree it was more assignment mistakes and errors than physically getting beat. Same in run game, btw, nobody talks about that.
              We are talking about it. Re assignment mistakes, the picture that stuck in my mind is Boze moving to help RG Pipkins, Zion in space and moving to left looking for a player to block. I'm just an amateur making a guess that Zion should have dropped back in his lane and protected that slot. If so, that's an easy correction. Should be anyway.
              The run game favors Zion. When he got on a guy, it was usually a win.
              Regardless, we both saw mental errors. Re coaching? Devilin has 23 combined years playing and coaching OL. He's apparently struggling as OL coach on the interior (where he played). And there's Nick Hardwick who knows and played C well as a Charger.
              The Chargers are basically installing their offense this year. It should be different. Full OTAs, TC, preseason in established facilities and program. Harbaugh, Roman and staff are heavily involved in all aspects of establishing a winning offense. The skill group have undergone an extensive remake and play approach will be different. How so? you might ask. For one thing the C won't automatically move to support RG Becton and the C- LG will have specific assignments. I'm looking forward to the coming games. All of them.

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              • dmac_bolt
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                #16867
                Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                We are talking about it. Re assignment mistakes, the picture that stuck in my mind is Boze moving to help RG Pipkins, Zion in space and moving to left looking for a player to block. I'm just an amateur making a guess that Zion should have dropped back in his lane and protected that slot. If so, that's an easy correction. Should be anyway.
                The run game favors Zion. When he got on a guy, it was usually a win.
                Regardless, we both saw mental errors. Re coaching? Devilin has 23 combined years playing and coaching OL. He's apparently struggling as OL coach on the interior (where he played). And there's Nick Hardwick who knows and played C well as a Charger.
                The Chargers are basically installing their offense this year. It should be different. Full OTAs, TC, preseason in established facilities and program. Harbaugh, Roman and staff are heavily involved in all aspects of establishing a winning offense. The skill group have undergone an extensive remake and play approach will be different. How so? you might ask. For one thing the C won't automatically move to support RG Becton and the C- LG will have specific assignments. I'm looking forward to the coming games. All of them.
                Pops report above from yesterday had a few Zion mental breakdowns. Last one about a stunt attacking the right side of OL and Zion staring left the entire time oblivious to what was happening to the right.

                I don’t get why coaching cannot coach this shit up. It’s year 2 of their reign, other NFL teams coach up basic DL stunts and blitzes better. Get after it guys!
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                • Riverwalk
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                  #16868
                  Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                  True....we dont like it but people act like he cant catch at all. Some here wanted us to trade for or sign the Giants Darius Slayton and if you ask their fans they say he cant catch a cold.....but some here wanted him lol.

                  QJ stats his first two years are better than Davante Adams so im encouraged he will keep improving. But here it dont matter. He can have 100 catches and drop one and its " fuck that guy, get rid of him"

                  This is the year to judge him! Year 3, not as a rookie and last year he made a jump. Judge him this year!
                  He sucked last year. Every fans asshole puckered whenever the ball was thrown to him.

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                  • Riverwalk
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                    #16869
                    Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                    Pops report above from yesterday had a few Zion mental breakdowns. Last one about a stunt attacking the right side of OL and Zion staring left the entire time oblivious to what was happening to the right.

                    I don’t get why coaching cannot coach this shit up. It’s year 2 of their reign, other NFL teams coach up basic DL stunts and blitzes better. Get after it guys!
                    Looks like another season of Bozeman. I guess it will addressed next year.

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                    • Velo
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                      #16870
                      Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

                      I get it that QJ has had some significant drops during games that cost the team dearly, which is an indication that he gets nervous or rattled in big moments, but overall his drop numbers are not any where near as bad as people make them out to be, many have posted statistics of QJs drops alongside of other WRs that many here wanted to pursue in free agency or even others that they compared him to from a draft perspective and his numbers are on par and even better than some of those players...

                      by any measure QJ has already shown that he is no where near to being a bust, he proved last year that he belongs...I can see parallels in QJs story to how it took years for people to embrace Mike Williams, I might not have been posting here then but I was definitely reading along and he was consistently shredded for years because he wasn't living up to being the #7 overall pick and all that...at some point folks forgot about all that and appreciated Mike for being a great teammate, for making some game winning plays, and for giving the team everything he had...QJ wasn't drafted as high but I think he's going to win folks over in time just like Mike did, he's unselfish, no prima donna here, he's a hard worker, his teammates love the kid, his coaches love the kid, and he's still maximizing his potential...
                      A WR who catches 55 passes for 711 yds and scores 8 TDs in a season is not a bust, period. Fans calling him a bust are being overly emotional, they expected more from a WR drafted at No. 21, especially since a pair of WR drafted immediately after him (Flowers, Addison) have played better for their teams. Even if QJ doesn't have the breakout season everybody is hoping for (1,200+ yds, 10+ TDs), he is still a productive player and valuable asset in the passing game even if he's No. 3 on the depth chart, even if 700 yds & 8 TDs is his ceiling. He's on the back half of his rookie contract, his production is a bargain for what he will earn the next two seasons. If he doesn't have a breakout season this year, they can decline his 5th year option in the 2026 off-season, he can play out his contract and then decisions will be made about his future as a Bolt.

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                      • Velo
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                        #16871
                        Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

                        He sucked last year. Every fans asshole puckered whenever the ball was thrown to him.
                        55 receptions, 711 yds, 8 TDs. That is suck?

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                        • sonorajim
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                          #16872
                          Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                          Pops report above from yesterday had a few Zion mental breakdowns. Last one about a stunt attacking the right side of OL and Zion staring left the entire time oblivious to what was happening to the right.

                          I don’t get why coaching cannot coach this shit up. It’s year 2 of their reign, other NFL teams coach up basic DL stunts and blitzes better. Get after it guys!
                          IMO it can be corrected to a greater degree. I don't see our IOL going worst to first. Better, yes. James has entered the conversation at C per G-Ro.
                          I want to see starters named.

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