Offensive Line Discussion

[like54ninjas]

Of course you are assuming a couple of things.

1). Every team in the NFL who wants OL help is considering Conklin. He is the grand prize, so he may cost $20 mill per season. Teams have the cap space and the need is desperate. You have to wonder if people are being perhaps a tad optimistic that he wants to play for us.

2). You are assuming that he will continue to play on the same trajectory as before he got the big contract. History says you are probably wrong about that.

3). After we have signed Conklin, cut Okung, it will still end up being Pipkins and whoever we draft playing OT. And given the amount of money we will probably waste in doing so, there I no way we will be using the high picks on OT help if we draft premiere FA, so then we are back to the low round picks being thrown into action too soon and struggling.

Of course I’m assuming, it is early February.


1) There are other FA options. I based my estimated contract on TBrown’s contract signed just last offseason. He got very little gauranteed money.

an average annual salary of $16,500,000. In 2020, Brown will earn a base salary of $21,250,000 and a workout bonus of $250,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,500,000 and a dead cap value of $21,250,000.

CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $66,000,000

SIGNING BONUS-

AVERAGE SALARY$16,500,000

GTD AT SIGN:$36,250,000

TOTAL GTD:$36,250,000

FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA

2019		26	$5,000,000	$10,000,000	$250,000	$15,250,000	$36,500,000	$15,250,000($15,250,000)
2020		27	$21,250,000	-	$250,000	$21,500,000	$21,250,000	$21,500,000($36,750,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2021, 2 YR, $36,750,000; $0 DEAD CAP
2021		28	$13,750,000	-	$250,000	$14,000,000	-	$14,000,000($50,750,000)
2022		29	$15,000,000	-	$250,000	$15,250,000	-	$15,250,000($66,000,000)
2023		30	UFA

2). All players acquired come with certain risks. If Jack, is healthy, there is no reason to expect a decline over the next 3-5 seasons.

3) Waste money doing so, how?
- 2020 Cap Hit difference nominal or structured for a savings.
- 5 year contract will be at/below league average of top 10 OTs by year 2/3.
- CONKLIN is a superior player than Russ.
- We still need to draft another starting caliber OT.
- Locks down our OT position group for a minimum 3 years with 2 on rookie deals.
- kicking Tevi inside to OG should eliminate his edge speed issues, highlight his run blocking/movement prowess, and utilize his skillset to maximize effectiveness.

[Topcat]

LOL at Wylie. How is this guy still breathing?

Great find, Fleet! Campen seems like a pretty organized guy. I like his emphasis on FUNDAMENTALS...

[Topcat]

Okay, I did read he's known for making mid round O-lineman picks into All Pros. Hopefully he cracks the whip on Tevi and Pipkins, and FEENEY, and SCHO, and....

...there...fixed it for 'ya!

[Topcat]

Wassup James.
What position does Forrest play ?

Just watch...one of Campen's first moves is to move Lamp to RT and kick Tevi inside to G...I CALL IT right now...

[wu-dai clan]

Gramah Glasgow is an OG/OC.

Too old.

[like54ninjas]

Too old.

Thanks for highlighting my extraordinary spelling skills. :hello:

28 at beginning / 31 at end for an OG new 4 year contract would be too old? He has played in 62 of 64 with 58 starts and surrendered 0 sacks in 2019.

[blueman]

Just watch...one of Campen's first moves is to move Lamp to RT and kick Tevi inside to G...I CALL IT right now...

I would be interested in seeing how that worked out.

[Boltnut]

Simmer down Trenchers.
And take back all the hurtful things
you said to Sam and Trey.

Hopefully Campen remembers the year he drafted a 1st round OT and won a Super Bowl. Hopefully he remembers the 2013 and 2017 years when Bulaga was injured...

[wu-dai clan]

Hopefully Campen remembers the year he drafted a 1st round OT and won a Super Bowl. Hopefully he remembers the 2013 and 2017 years when Bulaga was injured...

So would you draft Wirfs,
or sign Scharff,
from Bulaga's school,
to protect Tyrod ?

Our draft moves
are VERY unpredictable
in 2020.

I am surprised there is not more consideration
for Jeudy or Lamp or Swift.

Do that for Tyrod.

Last year, we brought forward to the mix
Pipkens and Quessenberry. This year, it will be Lamp.

I can see addressing other needs in the early/mid rounds. Draft Throckmorton, capable of playing everywhere but OLT round 6, and Darrell Williams IOL, who had a down year, round 7.

[Boltnut]

I'd try very hard to bring Conklin to play RT. I'd move Tevi inside to OG. I wouldn't draft Wirfs @#6. But I'd draft Thomas or Wills @#6.

Not high on Throckmorton or Williams. But I'd consider Cushenberry or Biadasz in the second round... or Ruiz in the third round. Campen had very good OT's in GB... and later round IOL's. He could be just what Lamp, Feeney, and Tevi need to develop inside.

[21&500]

Wood, I know you can appreciate this, dark horse pick at 6
henry ruggs
I don’t have to tell you the exponential effect it can have on our Oline, QB and other offensive skill players
all of a sudden the middle of the field is wide open for KA and Willams is single covered

[wu-dai clan]

I'd try very hard to bring Conklin to play RT. I'd move Tevi inside to OG. I wouldn't draft Wirfs @#6. But I'd draft Thomas or Wills @#6.

Not high on Throckmorton or Williams. But I'd consider Cushenberry or Biadasz in the second round... or Ruiz in the third round. Campen had very good OT's in GB... and later round IOL's. He could be just what Lamp, Feeney, and Tevi need to develop inside.

Round 6 and 7 !!
There are others.