Offensive Line Discussion

[OhioBolt]

AL is not the only person that makes personnel decisions. Campen is the OL coach, I’m sure he has some input.
Tevi had a leg up with experience and Pipkins had been banged up a bit in camp. Those things probably were big factors.
Pouncey hasn't been practicing because of an undisclosed injury. We may get to see both Feeney @ OC and Lamp @ LOG vs the Bungals.
Yes Jenkins and Adderley are both listed as the starters @ DS.

Did Quessnberry regress wasn't he the starter last year at center when Pouncey was out?

If Tevi won the starting position because of experience then Pipkins must really be banged up or has not progressed, I hope he is just banged up we may see Herbert sooner than later, because Tevi going to get Tyrod killed!

[like54ninjas]

Did Quessnberry regress wasn't he the starter last year at center when Pouncey was out?

If Tevi won the starting position because of experience then Pipkins must really be banged up or has not progressed, I hope he is just banged up we may see Herbert sooner than later, because Tevi going to get Tyrod killed!

Feeney has been the #2OC.
Qberry played OC last season but after Lamp got injured again when Dan went back to his LOG spot.

[Topcat]

I've not been keeping up so forgive my ignorance......but is this suggesting Perryman is starting over Tranquil? Denzel may be a warrior but he does a lot warrior-ing from the training table!
Lamp must be REALLY bad for Feeney to beat him out. Surprised he even made the team if he can't beat out Dan.
And LT.......maybe Lynn knows something that NOBODY else does when it comes to Tevi?
Have they moved Jenkins to Derwin's spot? And Adderley is now our first team FS?

Yes and yes. Look:

depth chart defense.JPG

https://www.chargers.com/team/depth-chart

[beachcomber]

think this would be my depth chart on the Oline....

LT * Lamp
LG * Trai Turner
OC * Ryan Groy, Qberry
RG * Feeney, Storm Norton
RT * Bulaga, Tevi, Pips

[sonorajim]

I hang my OL blocking hopes on motion. More zone scheme. Team motion. Play calling. Don't ask OL to block for a dummie standing in a bucket. I'll apologize if we look like crap anyway.

[Topcat]

think this would be my depth chart on the Oline....

LT * Lamp
LG * Trai Turner
OC * Ryan Groy, Qberry
RG * Feeney, Storm Norton
RT * Bulaga, Tevi, Pips

How about Pip backs up Lamp at LT?

[Formula 21]

Ranking all 32 NFL offensive lines after Week 3 of the 2020 NFL season

PFF
By Sam Monson
Oct 1, 2020


30. Los Angeles Chargers

Pressures allowed: 32
Rush yards before contact average: 1.0


It doesn’t seem to matter what changes the Chargers make — by Week 3 every season, they seem to be in the seventh circle of hell when it comes to their offensive line, and here we are once more. Bryan Bulaga has been a huge upgrade and a great addition, but he was injured this past week. His replacement, Trey Pipkins, was victimized by a defensive line that had generated just nine total pressures heading into that game.

Similarly, Panthers top draft pick Derrick Brown had back-to-back PFF grades in the 30.0s before playing the Chargers and posting an 84.6 mark. Given the state of the Chargers' line, Justin Herbert‘s play has been all the more remarkable.

Tah Dah. Right where TT likes his OL to be. OL play is so overrated. Look at how well Herbert produces behind these guys. Why invest any more in a functional line?

[gzubeck]

Tah Dah. Right where TT likes his OL to be. OL play is so overrated. Look at how well Herbert produces behind these guys. Why invest any more in a functional line?

Herbert will be given the name "The Artful Dodger!" and not that he's a pick pocket. He's dodging all the defenders!

:cheers:

[Silversurfer]

might need to do something before the trade deadline or Easton Stick will be starting with two QB's on IR.

[beachcomber]

might need to do something before the trade deadline or Easton Stick will be starting with two QB's on IR.

think my man Riley Neal is out there....

[chargeroo]

Tah Dah. Right where TT likes his OL to be. OL play is so overrated. Look at how well Herbert produces behind these guys. Why invest any more in a functional line?

I never heard anyone with that opinion before - you are unique in regards to the importance of the OL

So, with this porous OL - how many points have we been scoring?

[Formula 21]

I never heard anyone with that opinion before - you are unique in regards to the importance of the OL

So, with this porous OL - how many points have we been scoring?

Here are the worst 5 rated OLs. The teams combined record is 2-9-1. None have a winning record.

28. New York Jets

Pressures allowed: 42
Rush yards before contact average: 0.7


The Jets threw a lot of resources at the offensive line this offseason, and it has had predictably mixed results so far. First-round draft pick Mekhi Becton has been the brightest spot, earning three straight good grades and allowing just four total hurries, but he also left the game against the Colts with an injury.

New acquisitions, such as Connor McGovern, have been dramatically less successful, and the Jets' offense as a whole is not helping the group out with a lack of healthy receivers and a struggling quarterback.

29. Cincinnati Bengals

Pressures allowed: 53
Rush yards before contact average: 1.1


The good news for Cincinnati is that Jonah Williams — in what is effectively his redshirt rookie year — looks like the first-round talent he was billed as. He has been extremely solid through three weeks against some pretty legitimate opposition.

The bad news is that everybody else on the line is a problem, and the Bengals have been forced to dip into their bench, which is even worse. Former first-round draft pick Billy Price had an 11.5 PFF pass-blocking grade against the Eagles, which is concerning on a 0-100 scale.

30. Los Angeles Chargers

Pressures allowed: 32
Rush yards before contact average: 1.0


It doesn’t seem to matter what changes the Chargers make — by Week 3 every season, they seem to be in the seventh circle of hell when it comes to their offensive line, and here we are once more. Bryan Bulaga has been a huge upgrade and a great addition, but he was injured this past week. His replacement, Trey Pipkins, was victimized by a defensive line that had generated just nine total pressures heading into that game.

Similarly, Panthers top draft pick Derrick Brown had back-to-back PFF grades in the 30.0s before playing the Chargers and posting an 84.6 mark. Given the state of the Chargers' line, Justin Herbert‘s play has been all the more remarkable.

31. New York Giants

Pressures allowed: 46
Rush yards before contact average: 0.7


It’s fair to point out that the Giants have faced some tough competition, but it doesn’t excuse their overall level of play through three weeks. Starting center Nick Gates had literally never played a snap of center before in his career, and he currently has a 49.7 overall PFF grade.

Andrew Thomas is the one first-round rookie tackle who has struggled right out of the gate, though he had back-to-back games against elite competition. Even Kevin Zeitler, typically one of the best pass-blocking guards in the game, has struggled this season, allowing eight total pressures through three games.

32. Miami Dolphins

Pressures allowed: 25
Rush yards before contact average: 0.9


The Miami Dolphins have had the worst offensive line in the league for some time now, and though they have thrown some resources at it, they have yet to dramatically alter the final product. That goes some way toward explaining why we have yet to see Tua Tagovailoa at quarterback — and why we may not for some time.

First-round rookie tackle Austin Jackson’s numbers look OK — he has allowed just six total pressures in three games — but Ryan Fitzpatrick has been excellent at getting rid of the ball before pass protection losses become pressures, and Jackson’s 52.7 pass-blocking grade better reflects those losses.

Her are the 5 teams with the best rated OL. The teams combined record is 11-4. None has a losing record.

1. Green Bay Packers

Pressures allowed: 10
Rush yards before contact average: 2.2


Everything in Green Bay has been righted thanks to an offseason of adding almost nothing positive to the equation. Aaron Rodgers looks like MVP Aaron Rodgers for the first time in more than half a decade, and the offensive line is back to its best — due in no small part to Rodgers' play.

While the Packers' offensive line has been the best pass-blocking unit in the game in the past, it has typically blocked for a signal-caller who holds onto the ball longer than most quarterbacks. All of a sudden, Rodgers has an average time to throw of just 2.49 seconds, and the line looks impenetrable.

2. New England Patriots

Pressures allowed: 14
Rush yards before contact average: 2.1


Much of the New England offensive line's decline last season was due to a lack of receiver separation and the increased length of time Tom Brady had to hold onto the football. By pivoting to a run-heavy scheme with Cam Newton under center, the team has been able to mitigate much of that issue.

Plus play from young offensive linemen, such as rookie Michael Onwenu and third-year tackle Jermaine Eluemunor, has also gone a long way in boosting the grades of the Patriots' line. New England now has a unique and diverse offense that causes defenders all kinds of problems, creating just enough hesitation to steal an advantage for their offensive line up front.

3. Cleveland Browns

Pressures allowed: 15
Rush yards before contact average: 1.2


One of Cleveland’s big offseason tasks was to revamp its offensive line and ensure that it could no longer be a reason for Baker Mayfield’s regression in play. The Browns attacked the problem in both free agency (Jack Conklin) and the draft (Jedrick Wills Jr.), and so far, both players have provided clear upgrades at the two weakest points on the line from a year ago.

Conklin’s success was always probable, but Wills also hitting the ground running is a complete win for the Browns. It’s likely no coincidence that Mayfield has looked much more comfortable in the pocket — outside of the Week 1 game against the Ravens — than he did in 2019.

4. Baltimore Ravens

Pressures allowed: 17
Rush yards before contact average: 2.9


The Ravens' offensive line is still one of the best in the game, boosted by their unique offense and run-heavy disposition, but Marshal Yanda‘s retirement has certainly left a mark. Baltimore’s lowest-graded player on offense at any position through three weeks has been the man playing in Yanda’s spot — third-round rookie Tyre Phillips.

And while he has posted a better PFF grade each week, he has still yet to clear an average mark. The Ravens will be hoping they get improved play at that position as the year wears on, but a weak link along the line is the only thing preventing this unit from rivaling the Packers' group as the best in the league.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Pressures allowed: 19
Rush yards before contact average: 1.3


Tampa Bay was another team that had a solid line on paper heading into the 2020 season but was relying on immediate plus play from a rookie at one of their spots. And so far, they have been rewarded with Tristan Wirfs‘ play at right tackle. He debuted against Cameron Jordan and was able to keep his head above water, which was immediately encouraging.

And through three games, Wirfs has yet to allow a sack on Tom Brady, surrendering only five total pressures. The interior of this line is arguably the best in football right now, and while Donovan Smith is frustrating at times, his baseline is, perhaps, not as bad as his lowlight reel.

Is there a correlation between offensive line quality and team success? In my opinion yes. Based upon this limited data set, yes. But I'd have to leave it to the statisticians to put out a definite reading on it.

And there are many GMs who believe you build the lines first and foremost.