2019 Other NFL and Super Bowl Discussion

[RollingThunder]

That long pass tp Diggs was a thing of beauty. But I bet he couldn't have thrown it without the good protection from his OL. It's stilla team game more than any other game I know of.

No one has ever said those other parts aren't important, it's just that QB play is so essential to success on top of them.

[ChargingBolts]

#65 Seattle OL, Ifedi 6'5 325 monster

[Charge!]

But I've been told over and over on this board that "QBs win games" and "it's a QB driven league".

Funny how I don't see any of that after the Titans beat the Pats and the Vikings beat the Saints.

That has been true for most of the last 50-75 years.....

Over the years, the rule changes have changed the game.

• It is nearly impossible to play defense anymore unless the refs allow your team to grab and hold, so in theory anyone running a dink and dunk passing offense can throw for 300 yards per game. Making clutch throws and actually winning are separate issue.
• Because there is no tackling in practice, most teams cannot tackle so any team with a great OL and a power running game can dominate the LOS like Titans did to NE and NE did to Chargers....
• Changing the play clock from 30 seconds per play to 45 seconds and keeping the clock running after running out of bounds has speeded up the game by reducing the number of possessions allowing the NFL/media to add any more commercials to make the TV contracts much more valuable.......

Most of today's great pocket QB's are injured or too old or both or have horrible OL's:

• Brady
• Brees
• Rivers
• Manning
• Big Ben
• Rodgers
• Luck

Pocket QB's are the best passers(they need to be cause they cannot run) and actually get injured less than the mobile ones......
Bad OL play has created problems for pocket QB's and are motivating teams to go and get more mobile QB's......

So you are saying that instead of the QB's listed above you would rather have a running QB like Jackson, Watson, Allen, .... etc??? Eventually defenses will adjust and you will again need a QB who can actually throw consistently accurately!

[PR#1]

Watching the Seahawks halftime show.

They are saying Rudolph pushed off and should have been called for opi.

[RollingThunder]

That has been true for most of the last 50-75 years.....

Over the years, the rule changes have changed the game.

• It is nearly impossible to play defense anymore unless the refs allow your team to grab and hold, so in theory anyone running a dink and dunk passing offense can throw for 300 yards per game. Making clutch throws and actually winning are separate issue.
• Because there is no tackling in practice, most teams cannot tackle so any team with a great OL and a power running game can dominate the LOS like Titans did to NE and NE did to Chargers....
• Changing the play clock from 30 seconds per play to 45 seconds and keeping the clock running after running out of bounds has speeded up the game by reducing the number of possessions allowing the NFL/media to add any more commercials to make the TV contracts much more valuable.......

Most of today's great pocket QB's are injured or too old or both or have horrible OL's:

• Brady
• Brees
• Rivers
• Manning
• Big Ben
• Rodgers
• Luck

Pocket QB's are the best passers(they need to be cause they cannot run) and actually get injured less than the mobile ones......
Bad OL play has created problems for pocket QB's and are motivating teams to go and get more mobile QB's......

So you are saying that instead of the QB's listed above you would rather have a running QB like Jackson, Watson, Allen, .... etc??? Eventually defenses will adjust and you will again need a QB who can actually throw consistently accurately!

I'd like to have a QB that can do both. It shouldn't be one or the other.

I think Mahomes is the closest thing to what a modern NFL QB needs to be.

You're right that the league has changed and the rules are now more geared towards offense and protecting a QB. If you look at the list of QBs that are in the playoffs, there are more mobile QB's than ever before.

There has been a shift and that shift has tilted towards finesse and offense.

Just like the NBA used to be known for tough defense in the 80's and 90's that focused around a strong center. Sometime in the mid to late 2000's the rules changed in favor of offense as well and these days it's 3 point shooters and versatile big men that can shoot and pass that is required to win.

Games evolve and the NFL has evolved and what was necessary to win then needs to be re-evaluated in order to win now. Of course there will always be anomalies but the trend has shifted.

[DontEverGiveUp]

That has been true for most of the last 50-75 years.....

Over the years, the rule changes have changed the game.

• It is nearly impossible to play defense anymore unless the refs allow your team to grab and hold, so in theory anyone running a dink and dunk passing offense can throw for 300 yards per game. Making clutch throws and actually winning are separate issue.
• Because there is no tackling in practice, most teams cannot tackle so any team with a great OL and a power running game can dominate the LOS like Titans did to NE and NE did to Chargers....
• Changing the play clock from 30 seconds per play to 45 seconds and keeping the clock running after running out of bounds has speeded up the game by reducing the number of possessions allowing the NFL/media to add any more commercials to make the TV contracts much more valuable.......

Most of today's great pocket QB's are injured or too old or both or have horrible OL's:

• Brady
• Brees
• Rivers
• Manning
• Big Ben
• Rodgers
• Luck

Pocket QB's are the best passers(they need to be cause they cannot run) and actually get injured less than the mobile ones......
Bad OL play has created problems for pocket QB's and are motivating teams to go and get more mobile QB's......

So you are saying that instead of the QB's listed above you would rather have a running QB like Jackson, Watson, Allen, .... etc??? Eventually defenses will adjust and you will again need a QB who can actually throw consistently accurately!

I agree with you.

I was simply trying to make a joke out of the same arguments we always hear about how great QBs win no matter what. It takes a team to win...always has, always will.

[jamrock]

2020 starts with Brady and Brees both losing at home. #’s 1 and 2 in passing tds.

it’s the dawning of a new era

[DontEverGiveUp]

I'd like to have a QB that can do both. It shouldn't be one or the other.

I think Mahomes is the closest thing to what a modern NFL QB needs to be.

You're right that the league has changed and the rules are now more geared towards offense and protecting a QB. If you look at the list of QBs that are in the playoffs, there are more mobile QB's than ever before.

There has been a shift and that shift has tilted towards finesse and offense.

Just like the NBA used to be known for tough defense in the 80's and 90's that focused around a strong center. Sometime in the mid to late 2000's the rules changed in favor of offense as well and these days it's 3 point shooters and versatile big men that can shoot and pass that is required to win.

Games evolve and the NFL has evolved and what was necessary to win then needs to be re-evaluated in order to win now. Of course there will always be anomalies but the trend has shifted.

What you're describing isn't really a shift though.

Basically, you're saying you want a QB that can make all the reads and throws of a Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rivers, etc but can also run like Lamar or Mahomes. You're simply describing the perfect dream QB.

[RollingThunder]

What you're describing isn't really a shift though.

Basically, you're saying you want a QB that can make all the reads and throws of a Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rivers, etc but can also run like Lamar or Mahomes. You're simply describing the perfect dream QB.

I pointed out that a guy like Mahomes is the model. He actually exists. Of course he still needs to be surrounded by good pieces but the guy makes others around him, including his oline, better because he can manufacture plays out of thin air, even when they've failed to stop the pass rush for example.

The importance of being able to scramble is more important today than it's ever been before and the amount of mobile QB's leading their teams into the playoffs these days proves that. Just look through the list of who is still remaining.

The change in rules has played a big part in this. QB's are more protected than ever before and therefore can stay healthier longer.

[Topcat]

Watching the Seahawks halftime show.

They are saying Rudolph pushed off and should have been called for opi.

It was a little bit of a push...was it enough for a flag? Maybe. Nowhere near as flagrant as that PI vs. the Rams in the playoffs last year...NFL did review it, but said it didn't rise to the level of a penalty...poor Saints--burned two years in a row, though this year not as bad...

[Topcat]

2020 starts with Brady and Brees both losing at home. #’s 1 and 2 in passing tds.

it’s the dawning of a new era

Agree...mobility, especially vs. these quicker and stronger edge rushers is becoming more and more important...

[richpjr]

Agree...mobility, especially vs. these quicker and stronger edge rushers is becoming more and more important...

I laugh at this - people have been saying the same thing since Randall Cunningham was playing decades ago. Mobility is a wonderful, secondary trait to possess but if you can’t be a pocket QB first and foremost you absolutely will not have a long successful NFL career.