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[Boltgang74]

Not sure where to post this, but since it involves players from around the league I'll put it here.

This type of WR seems to thrive in the NFL: 6-1ish to 6-2; between 200-215 lbs; not blazing speed.

Examples:

Cooper Kupp: 6-2, 204lbs, 4.6 40 time
Davante Adams: 6-1, 215lbs, 4.56 40 time
DeAndre Hopkins: 6-1, 214lbs, 4.57 40 time
Justin Jefferson: 6-1, 202lbs, 4.43 40 time
Keenan Allen: 6-2, 206lbs, 4.56 40 time? (not sure, but he's not a speedster, as we know)

There are more examples, but these five really stand out IMO. What is it about this height/weight/speed combo that makes for great WRs? Only Jefferson has a sub 4.5 40 time.

Our own Joshua Palmer is in this category too: 6-1, 210lbs, 4.52 speed. I look forward to Palmer's 2nd season.

Just curious,did most if not all of those wrs really kick ass and show they were above most others their first season?

[equivocation]

Not sure where to post this, but since it involves players from around the league I'll put it here.

This type of WR seems to thrive in the NFL: 6-1ish to 6-2; between 200-215 lbs; not blazing speed.

Examples:

Cooper Kupp: 6-2, 204lbs, 4.6 40 time
Davante Adams: 6-1, 215lbs, 4.56 40 time
DeAndre Hopkins: 6-1, 214lbs, 4.57 40 time
Justin Jefferson: 6-1, 202lbs, 4.43 40 time
Keenan Allen: 6-2, 206lbs, 4.56 40 time? (not sure, but he's not a speedster, as we know)

There are more examples, but these five really stand out IMO. What is it about this height/weight/speed combo that makes for great WRs? Only Jefferson has a sub 4.5 40 time.

Our own Joshua Palmer is in this category too: 6-1, 210lbs, 4.52 speed. I look forward to Palmer's 2nd season.

Agility, change of direction, and ability to set up breaks by manipulating the defender onto the wrong foot or leverage.

[equivocation]

Also Allen is a 4.7 guy. So was Rice.

[powderblueboy]

Just curious,did most if not all of those wrs really kick ass and show they were above most others their first season?

Just going by memory:

Cooper Kupp: Yes - he had a nice first season as a 3rd option (50 + catches) - Rams were very happy
Devontae Adams: so-so stats (Palmeresque), Green Bay develops talent - does not thrown them out there to sink or swim
De'Andre Hopkins: Yes - had to look up: 52 catches for 803 yards
Justin Jefferson: Yes - runner-up to Herbert for rookie of the year
Keenan Allen: Yes - backup and not often used until injuries struck receiving corp around midseason.

So much depends on who is in front of them.

Josh Palmer's rookie season was almost identical to Devonte Adams - someone i compared him to from the very beginning.
That is why Chaincrusher is so excited about his future.

Davante Adams combine results

First Name:	Davante
Last Name:	Adams
Nickname:
Position:	Wide Receiver
College:	Frenso State (CA)
Draft Class:	2014
Draft Age:	21.4

Measurables

Height:	72.88 inches
Weight:	212 pounds
BMI:	28.74
Arm Length:	32.63 inches
Hand Size:	9.00 inches
Wingspan:	77.750 inches
Birthdate:	12/24/1992

NFL Combine Scores

40 Yard Dash:	4.56 seconds
40 Yard (MPH):	17.94 (MPH)
20 Yard Split:	2.68 seconds
10 Yard Split:	1.64 seconds
Bench Press:	14 reps (225 lb)
Wonderlic:	(N/A) (0-50)
QB Ball Velocity:	(N/A) (MPH)

Vertical Leap:	39.5 inches
Broad Jump:	123 inches
20 Yd Shuttle:	4.30 seconds
Three Cone:	6.82 seconds
Shuttle Split:	(N/A)

Josh Palmer's pro day results:


Player Info

First Name:	Josh
Last Name:	Palmer
Nickname:
Position:	Wide Receiver
College:	Tennessee
Draft Class:	2021
Draft Age:	N/A

Measurables

Height:	(N/A) inches
Weight:	(N/A) pounds
BMI:	(N/A)
Arm Length:	(N/A) inches
Hand Size:	(N/A) inches
Wingspan:	76.875 inches
Birthdate:	(N/A)

NFL Combine Scores

40 Yard Dash:	(N/A) seconds
40 Yard (MPH):	(N/A) (MPH)
20 Yard Split:	(N/A) seconds
10 Yard Split:	(N/A) seconds
Bench Press:	(N/A) reps (225 lb)
Wonderlic:	(N/A) (0-50)
QB Ball Velocity:	(N/A) (MPH)

Vertical Leap:	(N/A) inches
Broad Jump:	(N/A) inches
20 Yd Shuttle:	(N/A) seconds
Three Cone:	(N/A) seconds
Shuttle Split:	(N/A) seconds
60 Yd Shuttle:	(N/A) seconds
Four Square:	(N/A) seconds

Pro Day Scores

Pro Day Date:	03/25/21
40 Yard Dash:	4.52 seconds
40 Yard (MPH):	18.1 (MPH)
20 Yard Split:	2.64 seconds
10 Yard Split:	1.59 seconds
Bench Press:	(N/A) reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap:	34.0 inches

Height:	73.25 inches
Weight:	210 lbs
Broad Jump:	124 inches
Hand Size:	9.63 inches
Arm Length:	33 inches
20 Yd Shuttle:	4.24 seconds
Three Cone:	6.98 seconds

[AK47]

Also Allen is a 4.7 guy. So was Rice.

I wanted to add Larry Fitzgerald was a 4.63 guy.

My sweet spot WR as of right now is 6-2 205lbs with a 4.5 - 4.6 time (is acceptable). 10 inch hands. Sub 7-second 3-cone.

-At 6-2 has the frame/height advantage over DBs.
-205lbs has the size advantage yet light enough to retain nimbleness.
-40 time is a can of worms.
-10-inch hands to better grasp/grab/secure/fight for the ball.
-Sub 7 3-cone for change of pace/direction.

[Velo]

Agility, change of direction, and ability to set up breaks by manipulating the defender onto the wrong foot or leverage.

All of these things. It seems that body size is the perfect combo of ability to dominate and still be athletic.

[Boltjolt]

Also Allen is a 4.7 guy. So was Rice.

And Anquan Bolden

[Velo]

And Anquan Bolden

He is one of my fave players of all time. He was only 6-1, but at 220 lbs he was physically dominant. That was the key to his success.

[Bolts4ever213]

Just give me a wr who has hands to catch everything that it touches. With these sticky gloves they have, one hand grabs are possibly. But any wr who gets two hands on the ball, that can keep it, is all I want. Well, that and height.

[dmac_bolt]

He has the full support of the owner who has shown he'll do whatever it takes and a GM that goes and gets what he can. He just lured Matt Stafford to the team. Everybody talks about a debt coming due but they've been saying about the Rams for a few seasons. Goff trade, Gurley contract, etc. They just keep it moving as Staley would say.

The Rams are willing to trade early round picks for veterans who can come in and make a difference from the start. OBJ cost nothing, Miller a couple of early round picks, Stafford some early round picks and Ramsey some early round picks.

My guess is they let Ramsey go first. He was not good in the Super Bowl.

He’s been one of the keys to their defense since he got there. He’s going nowhere. If you cut every guy that has a bad game, you don’t have a team. Looking at the crop of QBs in this year’s draft, and looking at Goff continue to flounder and flail now in DET, the Stafford trade looks genius to me. QB is more important than the next 5 best guys on your roster combined.

[dmac_bolt]

Also Allen is a 4.7 guy. So was Rice.

I think he was a 4.7 guy when he was still recovering from his college injury. I’d be willing to bet he was a tad faster in his early years, though definitely not 4.4.

He may be headed back to 4.7 now lol

[Leslie Grossman]

Andrew Whitworth announces retirement.

My guess is Rams will throw big money at Armstead to make another run while Saints try to rebuild quick without Payton.