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[Lefty2SLO]

How about Dalvin Cook?

Will be released around June 1

Chargers have about 13 million left which is more than KC, Buffalo and other contenders. I would like to see some move for Leonard Floyd or John Johnson for better depth on defense

I would love Cook. If we could land him and solid backups / depth at edge and safety I'd call it good . . . . . . . . No on JJ for me though - I'd rather roll with what we have if he's the only alternative . . . . .

[wu-dai clan]

My ankle hurts.
JimmyG

At least the Raiders have a new TE.
And a bookend for Bigmouth Maxx.

Boowahhhh.

[chargeroo]

Agree

The team isnt done being built but some here want them to rush and fill up every hole with whats available now. I thinks its smart to wait on who comes available as we might be able to get someone better. There will still be cap releases and cuts of players that teams drafted and got younger but just want to see how the rookie pick up the playbook and perform in TC.

That's exactly how we got Callahan last year. We could have rushed in on day one of FA period and spent some big bucks on someone but we waited and Callahan played very well for us.

Bolt4Knob - my question for you is, would you like us to have signed Aaron Rogers? I'm guessing you would say no to that because we have Herbert.

By that same token, we have good WRs so why would we go after another one? We aren't disagreeing that Hopkins is good, we simply think the remaining cap could be better spent on help for a position where we need more help. As it is, The addition of Q probably puts Palmer at #4 and he's a pretty good player to be relegated to a backup role.

[Topcat]

That's exactly how we got Callahan last year. We could have rushed in on day one of FA period and spent some big bucks on someone but we waited and Callahan played very well for us.

Bolt4Knob - my question for you is, would you like us to have signed Aaron Rogers? I'm guessing you would say no to that because we have Herbert.

By that same token, we have good WRs so why would we go after another one? We aren't disagreeing that Hopkins is good, we simply think the remaining cap could be better spent on help for a position where we need more help. As it is, The addition of Q probably puts Palmer at #4 and he's a pretty good player to be relegated to a backup role.

^ This...don't understand all this D-Hop hype...our wideout room is STACKED...if anything, we could use another corner, OG-C or backup safety...

[dmac_bolt]

It means, as I have wrote before - if you are going 60m in the red for next year - why stop now trying to improve your team... you have come this far - why not try to improve your team even more

Yes, I personally would have traded Bosa and probably moved on from Allen in some capacity. . But if you have pushed this many chips into the center of the table - why keep like two $100 chips and one $500 - -- go all the hell in.

The Chargers on the field - could give a shit about paper - on the actual field - have not proven they cannot get to the level of KC, Cincy and Buffalo in the AFC under Telesco or any of his coaches. So for me, Telesco should keep trying to improve the roster. Does that mean DHop - no, because WR is actually a decent group. But if he had the balls to sign DHop - I would actually applaud it. But , he doesn't have the balls to sign DHop. But he canto improve other positions -- like KC and Buffalo are doing or have been reported -- and that is getting DHop.

Does that make sense - it probably doesn't and you will miscontrue what I wrote yet again - so if thats case - whatever dude.

I have trouble following you here. You say no don’t sign hop because we have a loaded WR group. But TT not signing hop proves he doesn’t have balls? He’s doing what you said is the right thing, or not doing … depending on how you look at it, how is that a case of no-balls?

You’re right the Chargers last year didn’t play to the level of KC and Cincy. They also had much worse and more injuries so it’s hard to be honestly categorical and say the roster as built was nowhere as good - nobody ever saw them play enough to know.

TT is at the point in the roster development where he’s waiting for value deals and maybe OTAs to see how the coaches feel about the different position groups that are thinnest on proven talent and currently counting on unproven youth. I know you’re impatient and anxious … hang in there, we’re pulling for you!

[Bolt4Knob]

I have trouble following you here. You say no don’t sign hop because we have a loaded WR group. But TT not signing hop proves he doesn’t have balls? He’s doing what you said is the right thing, or not doing … depending on how you look at it, how is that a case of no-balls?

You’re right the Chargers last year didn’t play to the level of KC and Cincy. They also had much worse and more injuries so it’s hard to be honestly categorical and say the roster as built was nowhere as good - nobody ever saw them play enough to know.

TT is at the point in the roster development where he’s waiting for value deals and maybe OTAs to see how the coaches feel about the different position groups that are thinnest on proven talent and currently counting on unproven youth. I know you’re impatient and anxious … hang in there, we’re pulling for you!

Answer me this -- - why are the Bills and Chiefs rumored to have been wanting DHop during the draft? Aren't they both pretty good teams - like two of the best three teams in the AFC. Why are they talking to DHop to add to their roster?

I think its because they see DHop as a way to get better.

Now - I have been pretty clear - I don't think the Chargers should sign DHop. But I think they should still be looking to upgrade the roster. And since they have cap space - get the better player now and not wait for some bull shit value.

As for him having no balls. The dude has never once traded up in the draft. He has never once made a trade at the trade deadline. He would see DHop as a luxury. Other teams, if reports are correct, the Bills and Chiefs - they seem him as an additional player to add to make the team better. So thats my point - I get their is a salary cap - and its just not the Chargers - but why wouldn't a lot of teams want to signa guy like DHop. I have read the Eagles might be interested - they have a pretty stacked receiving corp too. Now that might be more DHop wanting to play with Hurts - so that could be a rumor.

Ravens and Cowboys also interested. So call me stupid all you want but Andy Reid has been kicking Telesco and the Chargerss ass for the last 11 years , and 7 in the divison, wants DHop, the reigning Super Bowls champs - maybe just maybe the Chargers should be on phucking phone with him.

[Bolt4Knob]

That's exactly how we got Callahan last year. We could have rushed in on day one of FA period and spent some big bucks on someone but we waited and Callahan played very well for us.

Bolt4Knob - my question for you is, would you like us to have signed Aaron Rogers? I'm guessing you would say no to that because we have Herbert.

By that same token, we have good WRs so why would we go after another one? We aren't disagreeing that Hopkins is good, we simply think the remaining cap could be better spent on help for a position where we need more help. As it is, The addition of Q probably puts Palmer at #4 and he's a pretty good player to be relegated to a backup role.

I have never said the Chargers should sign DHop. I have been pretty clear they should allocate resources differently.

That said, dollar for dollar - if healthy, DHop is a pure better football player than Leonard Floyd, Callahan, OL depth, TE depth currently out there based on the careers of all of them (he is also a better WR historically than anybody the Chargers have). I also understand he would cost a heckuva lot more than these other players I mention and is truly not a need like I think Edge, CB or S, even TE.

[Bolt4Knob]

I would love Cook. If we could land him and solid backups / depth at edge and safety I'd call it good . . . . . . . . No on JJ for me though - I'd rather roll with what we have if he's the only alternative . . . . .

Cook sucks

Zeke was better than Cook last year

[dmac_bolt]

Answer me this -- - why are the Bills and Chiefs rumored to have been wanting DHop during the draft? Aren't they both pretty good teams - like two of the best three teams in the AFC. Why are they talking to DHop to add to their roster?

I think its because they see DHop as a way to get better.

Now - I have been pretty clear - I don't think the Chargers should sign DHop. But I think they should still be looking to upgrade the roster. And since they have cap space - get the better player now and now wait for some bull shit value

As for him having no balls. The dude has never once traded up in the draft. He has never once made a trade at the trade deadline. He would see DHop as a luxury. Other teams, if reports are correct, the Bills and Chiefs - they seem him as an additional player to add to make the team better. So thats my point - I get their is a salary cap - and its just not the Chargers - but why wouldn't a lot of teams want to signa guy like DHop. I have read the Eagles might be interested - they have a pretty stacked receiving corp too. Now that might be more DHop wanting to play with Hurts - so that could be a rumor.

you’re pretty clear that TT should be talking to Hopkins, but we don’t need Hopkins so he shouldn’t be talking to Hopkins, but the idea of Hopkins is why he should be talking to Hopkins, and other teams may be talking to him so that means TT has no balls because he doesn’t need and isn’t talking to him. Got it, super clear.

TT has traded up in the draft, it didn’t work out well actually. K9 is a trade up, T’eo was a trade up. But more generally, you define trading up = balls? Huh. Thats the first time I’ve seen that direct definition. Ok.

do you know as fact the Bills and/ Chiefs are talking to him? You were on the phone, in the room, something tangible? Bills WR group is sub-par, I could see them talking to him. Not sure why that means TT has no balls but ok.

[dmac_bolt]

I have never said the Chargers should sign DHop. I have been pretty clear they should allocate resources differently.

That said, dollar for dollar - if healthy, DHop is a pure better football player than Leonard Floyd, Callahan, OL depth, TE depth currently out there based on the careers of all of them (he is also a better WR historically than anybody the Chargers have). I also understand he would cost a heckuva lot more than these other players I mention and is truly not a need like I think Edge, CB or S, even TE.

You signals are mixed. I still can’t tell if you want to sign hop or not. On the one hand you see we have a loaded / crowded even WR room. On the other … the heart wants what the heart wants eh? You gnashing it out in public here …

[Bolt4Knob]

you’re pretty clear that TT should be talking to Hopkins, but we don’t need Hopkins so he shouldn’t be talking to Hopkins, but the idea of Hopkins is why he should be talking to Hopkins, and other teams may be talking to him so that means TT has no balls because he doesn’t need and isn’t talking to him. Got it, super clear.

TT has traded up in the draft, it didn’t work out well actually. K9 is a trade up, T’eo was a trade up. But more generally, you define trading up = balls? Huh. Thats the first time I’ve seen that direct definition. Ok.

do you know as fact the Bills and/ Chiefs are talking to him? You were on the phone, in the room, something tangible? Bills WR group is sub-par, I could see them talking to him. Not sure why that means TT has no balls but ok.

Two NFL insider types have reported:

Jeremy Fowler - today or since he was released, mentioned the Chiefs and Bills are the leaders in the clubhouse so to speak but other teams are involved

A second person, John Gambadorro reported that during the draft, both the Chiefs and Bills engaged the Cardinals but because DHop didn't want to renegotiate his contract, the trades were never finalized

So take that data for what you will

EDIT: Albert Breer wrote this about trade talks to confirm Gambadorro:

The Chiefs and Bills were the only teams to have substantive trade talks with Arizona. • As was the case with Kansas City, contract was the issue for Buffalo. • KC made progress, but @OBJs deal ($15M base) more or less blew that progress up.

[Bolt4Knob]

You signals are mixed. I still can’t tell if you want to sign hop or not. On the one hand you see we have a loaded / crowded even WR room. On the other … the heart wants what the heart wants eh? You gnashing it out in public here …

I actually think its pretty clear what I think Telesco should have done - maybe my communication skills are lacking - for that I apologize.

1) The Chargers should have called his agent to see what value of contract said player is looking for
2) Upon hearing his value -- they can make the decision to proceed or not proceed
3) If he wants too much money - which he probably does - move forward without Hopkins and use those resources to better allocate the roster at deeper areas of need

is that clear?

P.S. If signed and healthy though, he would be the best WR in the room - the data and film doesn't lie. He has had a better career than Allen, Williams, Palmer and I hope QJ has a career like DHop.