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  • sandiego17
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    LANDOVER, Md. -- There's a new leader in the MVP race. Philip Rivers, listed before the NFL season as a 50-1 shot at Bovada to win, has rocketed to 4-1 odds and overtaken Peyton Manning as the betting favorite entering Week 6. Anyone inclined to protest should first watch a three-hour video presentation starring Rivers and his San Diego Chargers against the Seattle Seahawks in Week 2.

    Rivers became the fourth quarterback since the 2013 opener to beat Seattle, but he also produced the highest passer rating and Total QBR score against the Seahawks over that time. It was close to a perfect game against a defense unaccustomed to giving much ground. And it's a leading reason for Rivers topping my list of MVP candidates to this point.

    Late Monday night, I solicited MVP insights from cornerback Richard Sherman and free safety Earl Thomas in the Seahawks' locker room following their 27-17 victory over the Washington Redskins at FedEx Field. They faced Aaron Rodgers, Rivers and Manning in their first three games. Sherman and Thomas split their votes at the top, with one favoring Rivers and the other taking Manning. I've sprinkled their thoughts into my ranking of the six leading candidates.

    1. Philip Rivers, QB, San Diego Chargers (4-1 odds)

    On pace for: 4,618 yards, 38 TDs, 6 INTs

    "Rivers is playing great football, and he is playing with a team a lot of people did not expect to be as good as they are, to be executing like they are," Sherman said in casting his early vote for Rivers. "I would give it to him because I think he is doing a lot with less than other guys. He is a grinder in the game. He is a competitor. He is a fighter in the game. We had a play where we knocked the ball out of his hands, he juggled it, got it back and tossed it up. He is that kind of grind-it-out, gritty player, and that is what allows him to succeed."

    Winning the AFC West would help differentiate Rivers from Manning, who figures to keep pace on the stat sheet and then some. Rivers solved the Seahawks' defense to a degree that Manning did not. That is another mark in his favor. He is completing 70.3 percent of his passes while leading the league in both passer rating (116.3) and Total QBR (84.8). Manning is right behind, however.

    2. Peyton Manning, QB, Denver Broncos (9-2)

    On pace for: 5,172 yards, 48 TDs, 12 INTs

    The interception pace doesn't mean much this early in the season: Rivers has thrown two and Manning has thrown three. It's early. Manning entered the season as a 3-1 MVP favorite ahead of Drew Brees (11-2). He likely would remain the odds-on favorite if he could have finished off the Seahawks in Seattle, but he never got the ball in overtime. No matter, according to one expert witness.

    "I would go with Peyton Manning," Thomas said. "I just think he can see the field better than any quarterback. He understands the game. The game is so slow for him. I can just tell by the way that he played us. Even though we lost the game in San Diego, you have to add a lot of factors to that. It was so hot and we still had a chance to win at the end of the game. I had a good bead on him [Rivers]. I just think Peyton Manning is the better quarterback."

    3. Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts (5-1)

    On pace for: 5,174 yards, 45 TDs, 19 INTs

    Luck is averaging a league-high 47 dropbacks per game, which would be the most over the course of a season since Matthew Stafford averaged 48.3 in 2012. Luck is a volume player, which reflects just how much the Colts rely upon him to carry their team. Luck is on pace for career highs in completion rate (68.1), yards per attempt (7.5), touchdowns, passer rating (100.0) and QBR (76.5).

    "He gets better every year," Thomas said. "I was watching him Sunday just staying patient in the pocket and being able to feel what is going on around him without panicking. He does a great job with that."

    Thomas said his top three would consist of Manning, DeMarco Murray and Luck.

    4. DeMarco Murray, RB, Dallas Cowboys (6-1)

    On pace for: 2,144 yards on 416 carries with 16 TDs

    Murray is getting the opportunities he needs to factor now that the Cowboys have committed to running the ball a higher percentage of the time (even though they recently said they'll manage his workload). Murray's 130 carries are 46 more than he had through five games in any of his previous three seasons. He had 217 carries all last season and is now on pace to surpass that total in the first half of the Cowboys' ninth game.

    "I have been playing him since college, and I always watch him now," Thomas said. "We had a rivalry. He was always a dynamic player. It's hard to tackle him in space. He put on some weight and it slowed him, but he is finding his mojo again. You can tell. They are finding their formula. That's all it is in football. You find what your team is good at, and you stick with it."

    5. Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay Packers (8-1)

    On pace for: 3,696 yards, 38 TDs, 3 INTs

    Rodgers won the MVP for the 2011 season, when he averaged 309.5 yards passing per game and 9.3 yards per attempt with 45 TDs and six INTs. The raw numbers aren't quite there this season, but the Packers' offense is gaining momentum after rough road games against Seattle and Detroit.

    6. J.J. Watt, DE, Houston Texans (20-1)

    On pace for: 6.5 sacks

    Watt has gone from 20.5 sacks in 2012 to 10.5 last season to two sacks through five games this season, making it tougher for him to command attention by his stats (although his game-changing pick-six in the Texans' win over the Bills helped with that). He remains widely acknowledged as the best defensive player in the league, however, and now the Texans are playing well enough to take a 3-2 record into Week 6. No defensive player has won the award since Lawrence Taylor did in 1986.

    When I asked Sherman which defensive player, if any, he might consider worthy, he thought for a long time and said it was tough to think of one at this point. He then put in a plug for teammate Bobby Wagner, who should factor for the Pro Bowl, at least -- particularly with San Francisco's NaVorro Bowman sidelined.

    Notes

    Niners clamping down: The 49ers' defense is leading the league in yards per catch allowed at 3.6, well beneath the 5.3-yard league average. It's a testament to the way San Francisco has tackled and generally played with efficiency despite being without tackling machine Bowman and top pass-rusher Aldon Smith. Indianapolis (7.5), Atlanta (7.0) and New England (6.6) are at the other end. Seattle led the league in YAC allowed last season and ranked second to the 49ers entering Monday night.

    Early read on Carr: The book on Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr coming out of Fresno State said he had plenty of talent but too frequently crumbled in the face of the rush. That dovetailed with the reputation his brother, David, developed during his career with the Houston Texans. But when an NFL assistant coach watched Carr against New England earlier this season, he didn't see a quarterback playing scared. "This Carr might be put together better mentally," the coach said. "My thoughts were that when it gets hot in the pocket, he may screw it up, but that has not happened. For a young guy, he is doing good." He added that this is especially true given the lack of supporting talent he has around him. "You cannot name a wide receiver for that team," he said.

    Broncos' concerns: Manning can carry an offense, and there's a chance his current receiving corps can be better than the 2013 version, but for the Broncos to be at their best when it matters, they need to rediscover the ground game that made them whole late last season. That will be more difficult after Montee Ball suffered a groin injury that could sideline him for weeks.

    Ball averaged 6.4 yards per carry on early downs from Week 13 last season into the divisional round of the playoffs. He has averaged 3.0 yards per carry on those runs since that time. Last season, Denver developed its ground game in time for cold-weather games. There's still time to do the same in 2014, but Ball's injury complicates those efforts in the short term, at least. Settling for 500-plus yards from a pass-heavy offense isn't a bad fallback, of course.

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          More Rivers analysis:

          He’s always had the talent and the stats, but under the new regime San Diego’s longtime quarterback has become a more complete player and stronger leader. At age 32 he’s lifted himself into MVP contention and has the Chargers looking like a Super Bowl team

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            #89
            Originally posted by sandiego17 View Post
            I think Marty was a good head coach. Not sure if his in game tactics were a big problem, I always felt he let his coordinators coordinate (for the most part.) In the playoffs, he seemed to be the equivalent of the guy on the blackjack table who was only down $500, but kept trying to make it up in one bet and failing, double downed again and then again. It was painful to watch him take penalties he never would have in the regular season, go for it on 4th and 11, etc.. Un-Martylike.

            Norval inherited a very good and very well coached team. He won a bunch of games in the 3 years following Marty (32-16) and then the needle pointed down in the following years. 24-24 and coached Rivers ONLY losing season of his life, including high school and college. Norv was shit. Rivers is so good, he can literally win consistently on team led by Norval Eugene Turner. What NFL player could make that claim? Should be a shoe-in for the HOF based on that alone.

            Agree that AJ did a lot of good things, TT came in with his work cut out if he hoped to match or exceed what AJ was able to accomplish, but he's started out well. However, AJ really didn't need to go the 'Charger one year at a time' route and his relationships/decision making in regards to head coaches really diminished what he accomplished. There is no reason the head of the football operations needed to be that adversarial with certain coaches and certain players. Made no sense.
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              Originally posted by sandiego17 View Post
              So McCoy gets docked for lucking into the playoffs, but Norval gets praised for 3 division titles when the AFC West was as week as it has ever been (just list the opposing QB's and you will see) and one of the division titles came at 8-8 with Denver/****ler self imploding down the stretch. Literally, a historic collapse that may never be repeated. That wasn't luck? The Bengals self-destructed huh? Were the Chargers just innocently standing by while that happened, or did they maybe force the Bengals to 'self-destruct'. McCoy has more impressive victories in 1.25 seasons than Norval has in 16+. What Norval victory compares to the clinical beat down of the Seahawks, winning a road playoff game against a team that was 8-0 at home or even the Thursday night victory over the Superbowl bound Broncos? Anything come close?

              Norval did not inherit a game manager, he inherited an elite talent and tried to fit that talent into his system instead of build a system that worked with what Rivers does best. Its a credit to Rivers that he was able to do well despite Norv, not because of Norval. Look at Rivers now in a system that plays to his strength. In 1.25 season away from Norval, he's arguably the best QB in the league. Calling Norv shit is kind.

              I agree that Norv didn't make strategical blunders that McCoy has. Norv's weren't confined to just strategic. Norv's errors were in game planning, preparation, game day adjustments, playcalling and pretty much everything else. Hell, Norv's special teams were horrific a lot of the times. A good coach fixes that.
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                Originally posted by Formula Two One View Post
                Extra point

                Project Philip Rivers' current numbers over the full season, and you get this line: 384-for-548 (70.1 percent), 4,620 yards, 36 TDs, 4 INTs, 114.5 QB rating. How good is that? Well, in 2010, Tom Brady was a unanimous MVP after posting 3,900 yards passing, 36 TDs, 4 INTs and a 111.0 QB rating.
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                So ... Rivers has been pretty damn good, enough to make his two-year swoon of 2011 and '12 feel like it happened 20 years ago. And the rebound has come because, at 32, the quarterback has never been more in control of what's around him.

                "I see a guy who has complete mastery over the system," Bolts offensive coordinator Frank Reich said. "And what I see that's a cut above everyone else is what he does in protection and his understanding of what a defense is trying to do to him, his ability to identify and understand what teams are doing, where pressure's coming from, and the right protection call is at a level beyond what I can describe. It's not at graduate level. It's at PhD level."

                The best example of that is pretty mind-blowing. Reich describes rare moments he sees, in practices and games, where Rivers will actually make adjustments during his drops, carrying out a play-action fake while shouting to the back, "Need ya," as a way of telling him to stay in and block, an on-the-fly change that would almost qualify as in between pre-snap and post-snap adjustments.

                So what does this mastery do? For one, it allows the Chargers to optimize the combination of receivers and blockers deployed. If Rivers knows just how many guys he needs to stay in consistently, that gives the offense the advantage of releasing the highest number of players into routes on every play, which puts the greatest amount of stress on the defense. And from a personal standpoint, his knowledge of all things around him allows Rivers to let plays develop longer, giving teammates more time to get open.

                That's allowed Mike McCoy, Reich and the Chargers to build on what they did with Rivers last year, which was to emphasize taking easy completions to cut down on the risks that he's prone to take as a great deep-ball thrower. Pocket presence and ball security were the focus last year. He's been eyeing better footwork and finish this year.

                And with his 33rd birthday two months away, all of that work is why Rivers keeps getting better. He's every bit the coach's son and gym rat he ever was.

                "When I envisioned coaching, this is what I envisioned it being like -- working with a guy like this," Reich said. "We work hard, but we have a blast -- a lot of laughs, a lot of blood, a lot of sweat. We work together, and there's a mutual respect. There's a great chemistry on this team, and it's because of veterans like Philip. He's such a great leader, not just a great player, but a great leader."

                And the best might be yet to come.

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                  #92
                  Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
                  That ship sailed with the Seattle win. However, this may be one of those seasons where the national bandwagon will pile on board for a non-QB for MVP, for Watt or for Murray instead of Rivers.
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                    #93
                    Originally posted by Stinky Wizzleteats+ View Post
                    Stop the love fest! Stay under the radar!!!
                    Too late. Even Siri knows Rivers is the best QB in the NFL.

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                    • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                      I hope the officials start treating him like Brady and Manning...
                      Go Rivers!

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                        Originally posted by Stinky Wizzleteats+ View Post
                        I hope the officials start treating him like Brady and Manning...
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                          I hope fans appreciate what a great player they're watching. He has been great
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