Justin Herbert - Bolts Franchise QB Official Discussion

[Boltjolt]

Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy with this head coach, this defense, the so called "skilled" players - slowest damn skill players in the league
OLine that can't block

Herbert can play better but come on, he needs better players around him and thats on Telesco and John Boy

Cmon man, we have seen Rivers have a lot less talented receivers and make them look good. He had a couple guys off the street one year and did well then. Kelly Washington, Inman, Patrick Crayton came in a trade, Denario Alexander, and late picks Tutu, Legadu,....etc,etc. Rivers was said to throw a very catchable ball. Herbert is the Rifleman.

Our receivers would do fine elsewhere as well. It isn't like our receivers suck, you are just flat wrong there. They tried to incorporate Davis today for a change. And WTF, Fehoko played for Moore before, why isn't he inserted in the game instead of Doss? He has some speed as well.

[Velo]

He is not a playmaker - he is a possession move the chains receiver

he is valuable in his role but playmaker - thats not Keenan Allen

You are wrong. I already proved you are wrong earlier.

[Critty]

In JH10 two most meaningful games....... 2021 Vs Raiders to make post season he had 13 poor throws and vs Jax in post season he had 10 poor throws. That 23 misfires by Herbert in two game he lost by a combined 4pts. Whether it's him or the scheme, coaches, line or whatever .....that's way too many missed throws in important games.

[Bolt4Knob]

You are wrong. I already proved you are wrong earlier.

Keenan Allen is a very good NFL WR
has had a very good career

he is not a playmaker at this point in his career
that doesn't knock his career
that is just the reality of where he is at in his career

Keenan Allen, like Herbert, like Slater, like Tuli - are not the problems on this team

[Boltx]

In JH10 two most meaningful games....... 2021 Vs Raiders to make post season he had 13 poor throws and vs Jax in post season he had 10 poor throws. That 23 misfires by Herbert in two game he lost by a combined 4pts. Whether it's him or the scheme, coaches, line or whatever .....that's way too many missed throws in important games.

"It is what it is."

How do you teach a QB to be clutch? Can a new HC do it?

I'm afraid this guy will just put up junk stats (yards, completions) without anything to show for it. If the last 3 games are any trend, he may not even put up a statistically "good" year at this point.

To be fair, it does seem like JH has a hand in his face on almost every single throw. 4 out of 5 spots on this line basically fell off a cliff overnight. This is how careers are wrecked.

[Boltx]

Interesting to look back at the initial replies to this thread. A lot of the concerns coming true this year. Depressing.

[Bolt4Knob]

Interesting to look back at the initial replies to this thread. A lot of the concerns coming true this year. Depressing.

I was 65/35
65% thought 12 win team

35% thought this thing could go sideways
They need to tank and have a fire sale --
Bosa, Mack, Ekeler, Davis, Kendricks -- all of them can go as far as I am concerned as none are the future

Heck - I think they owe it to Allen to ask him if he wants to ring chase -- his choice.

[Velo]

Keenan Allen is a very good NFL WR
has had a very good career

he is not a playmaker at this point in his career
that doesn't knock his career
that is just the reality of where he is at in his career

Keenan Allen, like Herbert, like Slater, like Tuli - are not the problems on this team

He is a better playmaker in 2023 that any time earlier in his career. That is what I am trying to help you understand. I posted his numbers in an earlier post to back that up. All of his playmaker numbers this season either exceed or equal the best years of his career.

[Bolt4Knob]

He is a better playmaker in 2023 that any time earlier in his career. That is what I am trying to help you understand. I posted his numbers in an earlier post to back that up. All of his playmaker numbers this season either exceed or equal the best years of his career.

Can Keenan Allen do what Kirk did on Thursday against the Saints taking a shallow cross for a 40 yard touchdown - he can't. Hell George Kittle makes more yards after contact than Allen does at this point

He has been a very good WR in the league for a long time and he is having a good year -- and he is not the problem. My point is more an indictment of Telesco and player personnel than Allen

[BigBad]

He is a better playmaker in 2023 that any time earlier in his career. That is what I am trying to help you understand. I posted his numbers in an earlier post to back that up. All of his playmaker numbers this season either exceed or equal the best years of his career.

What do playmaker numbers mean? Do you honestly think any defense is scared of him? LOL. The field is condensed because these WRs have no speed. They put NO PRESSURE on defenses. Oh no Keenan Allen might catch a 5 yard curl. What a joke. This type of fandom is what I suspect the GM and coach have. They don't look at what actually is happening, they look at names that are not what they were. Belichick was always right about getting rid of players 2-3 years early than overpaying and being stuck with has-beens.

[DerwinBosa]

"It is what it is."

How do you teach a QB to be clutch? Can a new HC do it?

I'm afraid this guy will just put up junk stats (yards, completions) without anything to show for it. If the last 3 games are any trend, he may not even put up a statistically "good" year at this point.

To be fair, it does seem like JH has a hand in his face on almost every single throw. 4 out of 5 spots on this line basically fell off a cliff overnight. This is how careers are wrecked.

I believe you be diligent in practicing the two-minute offense while having a good plan with it, in which the team around the quarterback is fully prepared to handle the situation. Having a head coach who can remain calm under those circumstances and guide the quarterback along is crucial. Joe Montana had Bill Walsh. Tom Brady had Bill Belichick. Terry Bradshaw had Chuck Noll. Roger Staubach had Tom Landry. Lesser quarterbacks who won Super Bowls with game-winning drives, Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning, had Mike Tomlin and Tom Coughlin.

I don't believe any quarterback would come in and "be clutch" consistently while playing for Staley.

[Bolt4Knob]

What do playmaker numbers mean? Do you honestly think any defense is scared of him? LOL. The field is condensed because these WRs have no speed. They put NO PRESSURE on defenses. Oh no Keenan Allen might catch a 5 yard curl. What a joke. This type of fandom is what I suspect the GM and coach have. They don't look at what actually is happening, they look at names that are not what they were. Belichick was always right about getting rid of players 2-3 years early than overpaying and being stuck with has-beens.

Allen needs somebody on the opposite side of him that can create plays and what not. It is what made Joiner / JJ or Joiner/Chandler work so well,. MIke Williams is not reliable. Palmer is almost duplicative of Allen - more possession receiver, nothing after the catch.

I guess QJ was drafted to be that guy but he is not there yet.