Welcome Kenneth Murray LB, Oklahoma

[Boltjolt]

I am guessing TT really wanted to upgrade the QB room. Rightfully so..and He didnt want to take Simmons and then see Herbert and Love taken soon after. And not get one of the top prospects.

So he adds the future franchise QB.

Then he gets aggressive to go get another one of his top rated players Murray.

if he knew Love would be there at 23 and he could make that move. I think TT would have done that instead. But he didn't know that. And had to ensure he came away with one of the top QBs.

Or maybe he saw how over hyped he was. Glad we didnt draft Love.

[chargeroo]

The problem is not the cast around Herbert, the problem IS Herbert.

I think Herbert could turn out to be very good with some good coaching. I thin having good receivers will already make him better. Last year Breeland, his TE was his only dependable receiver.

[powderblueboy]

A 3rd round pick is a bunch?

Its a Telesco 3rd round pick.
Actually, the Patriots only asked for a 4rth, and Telesco was able to negotiate them down to a 3rd.

[Bolt4Knob]

We don't have that much salary cap space. $10 mil of what we have is needed for draft picks. We need a couple of millions past that to sign guys to fill in for injuries during the season. That leaves about #9 mill in cap space, which based on the prices in FA this season, is enough for about 1 more player, to get a jump on someone (or two) for next season.

Murray may cover a lot of ground vs the run, but is not a very good pass defender (zone or man). This is a league that is predominantly passing. His level of impact will depend on how fast he develops as a coverage LB. We also still need the DT to improve or he is going to get stuck on blocks all day long.

$10m of cap space at this time of the year is actually a decent amount. You mention $10m for draft picks - the net value of that is actually about $6.5m since the draft picks on the roster will take the spot of the lower paid players. Second, veterans signed for the veteran minimum might get paid like $1.2m but for cap reasons only count about $750k. Lastly, nobody is really going to get paid anymore. I can see Peters getting a decent contract but nothing crazy

So in view - the Chargers have room for Peters and another veteran. I don't know what role a guy like Tony Jefferson could play but he is a good football player that might be cheaper at this point or in July around when training camps open.

[powderblueboy]

We don't have that much salary cap space. $10 mil of what we have is needed for draft picks. We need a couple of millions past that to sign guys to fill in for injuries during the season. That leaves about #9 mill in cap space, which based on the prices in FA this season, is enough for about 1 more player, to get a jump on someone (or two) for next season.

Murray may cover a lot of ground vs the run, but is not a very good pass defender (zone or man). This is a league that is predominantly passing. His level of impact will depend on how fast he develops as a coverage LB. We also still need the DT to improve or he is going to get stuck on blocks all day long.

That would have been a huge problem for Simmons too - no?

[like54ninjas]

We gave up basically an early 3rd to move up what like 10-15 spots? That’s a good deal to draft a LB who’s a very close second to Simmons late in the first.

So people can look at it this way. We gave up a Trey Pipkins, Justin Jones, Dan Feeney type prospect to draft a top 10 Elite Impact Prospect..

[like54ninjas]

$10m of cap space at this time of the year is actually a decent amount. You mention $10m for draft picks - the net value of that is actually about $6.5m since the draft picks on the roster will take the spot of the lower paid players. Second, veterans signed for the veteran minimum might get paid like $1.2m but for cap reasons only count about $750k. Lastly, nobody is really going to get paid anymore. I can see Peters getting a decent contract but nothing crazy

So in view - the Chargers have room for Peters and another veteran. I don't know what role a guy like Tony Jefferson could play but he is a good football player that might be cheaper at this point or in July around when training camps open.

We can always sign Peters to a 2 yr deal to lessen this yr cap hit.

[like54ninjas]

I think Herbert could turn out to be very good with some good coaching. I thin having good receivers will already make him better. Last year Breeland, his TE was his only dependable receiver.

And Breeland was out most of the season with a knee.

[Bolt4Knob]

We can always sign Peters to a 2 yr deal to lessen this yr cap hit.

Thats true -- and if he plays well and wants to play next year - an option

I have a feeling they have had conversations with Peters. Just waiting for the draft to see how that goes and I keep saying it, but the comp pick thing is a big deal. Chargers are in line for a 3rd round pick next year. I get Rivers needs to stay healthy and play - but that would be a bonus.

[like54ninjas]

Thats true -- and if he plays well and wants to play next year - an option

I have a feeling they have had conversations with Peters. Just waiting for the draft to see how that goes and I keep saying it, but the comp pick thing is a big deal. Chargers are in line for a 3rd round pick next year. I get Rivers needs to stay healthy and play - but that would be a bonus.

Probably 2 picks and one of which will be a 3rd but 8-9 picks next year is great. Some OT, OC, EDGE, DB talent on the horizon in 2021.

[UtahBolt]

I actually think Murray is a better linebacker than Simmons. Simmon's strength is his versatility which may not have even translated into our defense when we already have a few tweeners there. Murray to me seems better in the box, shooting the gap and at the POC. He is also very good sideline to sideline, maybe not as good as Simmons but not far behind. Where he is behind Simmons is pass coverage but Simmons is a freak there, almost more of a db.

I just think as a linebacker, Murray might be a better fit and more valuable to our defense than Simmons. This kid is really good and will QB this defense for 10 years.

[alex8080]

And Breeland was out most of the season with a knee.

i wouldn't be surprised if breeland is brought in to help herbert. honestly i could see him juwan or hos oline to be taken late or udfa. help herbert more comfortable while learning