Joshua Kelley, RB, UCLA - Discussion

[Topcat]

10Y - 40 split is a key explosion metric as well. When you take all 3 in combination, it gives an excellent window into that particular metric.

Take JJacks.
His sub 1.6 10YS, 36”+ vert, and 10’+ broad equal top tier explosive components.
Add in his film of excellent vision and dynamic cutting ability and you have an explosive player.
Injuries have been his derailing factor.

Larry is the odd man out as all his explosion traits are sub par. His vision, effort, passpro skill and contact balance will have to be his ticket onto the roster.

Ninja, how much explosion would you say MG3 has?

[like54ninjas]

Ninja, how much explosion would you say MG3 has?

Above average.
MGIII issues revolve around lack of vision. Burst/explosion is mute if you’re indecisive or simply run to darkness, up a lineman’s back, or put your helmet down into contact.

[dmac_bolt]

Luck plays a huge part of talent acquisition. Nobody wanted Ekeler even with his incredible pro day. Many dismissed Herbert's talents. TT got lucky with both. I say lucky with Herbert because although he was a solid pick at 6, his level of performance far exceeded anyone's expectations.

TT didn’t need luck for JH - he just listened to me.

[Heatmiser]

So the great picks and pickups Telesco adds are just lucky. And the ones that don’t work out are because he is a poor GM?

TG

[equivocation]

So the great picks and pickups Telesco adds are just lucky. And the ones that don’t work out are because he is a poor GM?

TG

Lol, yeah.

According to Telesco Herbert was #1 on his board for 2 years. Maybe "Lucky the 2019 Chargers sucked so much they could get him"? Or "lucky the Fins had NO IDEA"?

[Topcat]

Above average.
MGIII issues revolve around lack of vision. Burst/explosion is mute if you’re indecisive or simply run to darkness, up a lineman’s back, or put your helmet down into contact.

Yep...agree on Mel's vision issues...he also seemed to have issues getting tripped up easily by shoestring tackles...

[equivocation]

Picking RBs round 1 is just poor positional value as well. I'm glad that stopped and hope it continues to stop.

[Formula 21]

So the great picks and pickups Telesco adds are just lucky. And the ones that don’t work out are because he is a poor GM?

TG

No. There's a certain amount of luck of the draw involved though.

[powderblueboy]

Picking RBs round 1 is just poor positional value as well. I'm glad that stopped and hope it continues to stop.

I'd be fine if they grabbed one in the 1rst round next year, provided that he is an elite rb.
They don't have to reach.

[eaterfan]

I'd be fine if they grabbed one in the 1rst round next year, provided that he is an elite rb.
They don't have to reach.

There is just no way I would ever draft one in the first round. If they turn out to not be a top 5 back then you wasted your pick. If the do turn out to be a top 5 back you have to pay them a lot on their second contract and that can really bite you in the ass. Or you can let them walk after their first contract and then basically you only got 5 years out of your first round pick when you were correct on the evaluation. Yeah, 5 years of a probowl RB is better than no probowl years of Jerry Tillery, but the ceiling for what you can get out of other positions is just so much higher.

[sonorajim]

I'd be fine if they grabbed one in the 1rst round next year, provided that he is an elite rb.
They don't have to reach.

LT was easily worth the 5th pick in the 1st.

I liked Najee Harris with our 2nd. Pit took him at 24.We got a very good CB prospect, Samuel at 47. probably for the best, I hope.
If we want a top RB, the odds of getting one are better early.
Plan ahead, TT. We don't want another Melvin Gordon.

[eaterfan]

LT was easily worth the 5th pick in the 1st.

I liked Najee Harris with our 2nd. Pit took him at 24.We got a very good CB prospect, Samuel at 47. probably for the best, I hope.
If we want a top RB, the odds of getting one are better early.
Plan ahead, TT. We don't want another Melvin Gordon.

Absolutely. And AP was worth the pick when he was taken. But how many running backs in the last 20 years (it's been so long since LT was drafted) have been worth it? You basically have to be an all time great HOF RB to justify the pick. I just wouldn't be confident enough that any player would be that level player at the point I drafted them.

Like look at what has happened with Zeke and Gurley. Probably two of the top 5 backs we've had in the last decade. Even if they reach their ceiling they fall off so quickly and cost so much on that second contract.