When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[gzubeck]

If Lynn puts Tyrod back in as starter that will be putting his job on the line as well. I hope he understands that. The kid threw for over 300 in his 1st NFL game. If that doesn't deserve another look I don't know what will.

He made a couple of big mistakes in his 1st NFL GAME. Nothing surprising or wrong. Tyrod is at his ceiling. Herbie is just getting started with a ceiling that is that is as high as he wants to take it.

Higher than Rivers if he evolves. He's actually mobile and is a run threat when extending the chains. 3rd and 10 we're punting with rivers vs. herbert giving us a chance if everyone's covered. Look at mahomes today with 3rd and 24.

[Bolt-O]

Too long for posting here, Jim Trotter on Herbert/Taylor decision.

https://www.nfl.com/news/justin-herb...cision-for-cha

[Steve]

If Lynn puts Tyrod back in as starter that will be putting his job on the line as well. I hope he understands that. The kid threw for over 300 in his 1st NFL game. If that doesn't deserve another look I don't know what will.

He made a couple of big mistakes in his 1st NFL GAME. Nothing surprising or wrong. Tyrod is at his ceiling. Herbie is just getting started with a ceiling that is that is as high as he wants to take it.

I don't care about the stats. They are great and everything, but that wasn't what was exciting about it.

Some of those throws were just pretty sick. The TD is the kind of throw TT and 80% of the starters in the NFL just can't make. The long 3rd down that he hit Allen on in the 3rd quarter was another. Some of the passes he missed, the WR was just not really open, he throws it high and wide so only our guys have a chance and then misses by inches on a sideline throw 25 yards downfield. He also threw that first pass to Kelley with his feet tangled up, his arm out of position, and just flicked his wrist and hit Kelley perfectly in stride. It took Rivers years to really master those short RB throws.

When he really is "on", he is going to start looking somewhat like Mahommes. Not exactly the same, Herbert is not as fluid, but Herbert has that kind of arm talent. He just needs to make those throws hundreds of times, like Brady, or Steve Young or any of the other greats. He will just get better bit by bit as he does it. He will struggle some from time to time. But he seems to handle it well enough to be able to learn from it.

And it is kind of fun that he knocked down a couple of the KC LB. I mean, he needs to watch it, we don't want him taking too many hits, but it is kind of fun.

The big difference between Tyrod and Herbert is:

1). Tyrod really doesn't like to throw the ball in the paint. Herbert seemed pretty comfortable throwing it everyone on the field, really helping to keep the D spread out. This is kind of a problem because Rivers was a inside/out reader. He preferred to favor the reads for the slot, backs and TE first, then going outside. So, even though we can change the offense, the type of route combinations our receivers run are mostly built around the inside/out principles, and TT kinda struggled with it vs Cinci. If Herbert isn't comfortable with it, I sure couldn't tell. The ball was getting out on time and on target.

2). TT is simply not able to place the ball like Herbert can. TT is so "programmed" to keep the ball protected, he was constantly throwing the ball behind the receivers and keeping it away from the defenders, but often at the expense of the receivers. It wasn't so bad that I can really argue with any given throw, but over the course of the game, it just added up. Today, Kelley, Ekeler, Henry... they were able to take boring routes that Herbert hit to perfection, and got us a bunch of YAC.

[Charge!]

I don't care about the stats. They are great and everything, but that wasn't what was exciting about it.

Some of those throws were just pretty sick. The TD is the kind of throw TT and 80% of the starters in the NFL just can't make. The long 3rd down that he hit Allen on in the 3rd quarter was another. Some of the passes he missed, the WR was just not really open, he throws it high and wide so only our guys have a chance and then misses by inches on a sideline throw 25 yards downfield. He also threw that first pass to Kelley with his feet tangled up, his arm out of position, and just flicked his wrist and hit Kelley perfectly in stride. It took Rivers years to really master those short RB throws.

When he really is "on", he is going to start looking somewhat like Mahommes. Not exactly the same, Herbert is not as fluid, but Herbert has that kind of arm talent. He just needs to make those throws hundreds of times, like Brady, or Steve Young or any of the other greats. He will just get better bit by bit as he does it. He will struggle some from time to time. But he seems to handle it well enough to be able to learn from it.

And it is kind of fun that he knocked down a couple of the KC LB. I mean, he needs to watch it, we don't want him taking too many hits, but it is kind of fun.

The big difference between Tyrod and Herbert is:

1). Tyrod really doesn't like to throw the ball in the paint. Herbert seemed pretty comfortable throwing it everyone on the field, really helping to keep the D spread out. This is kind of a problem because Rivers was a inside/out reader. He preferred to favor the reads for the slot, backs and TE first, then going outside. So, even though we can change the offense, the type of route combinations our receivers run are mostly built around the inside/out principles, and TT kinda struggled with it vs Cinci. If Herbert isn't comfortable with it, I sure couldn't tell. The ball was getting out on time and on target.

2). TT is simply not able to place the ball like Herbert can. TT is so "programmed" to keep the ball protected, he was constantly throwing the ball behind the receivers and keeping it away from the defenders, but often at the expense of the receivers. It wasn't so bad that I can really argue with any given throw, but over the course of the game, it just added up. Today, Kelley, Ekeler, Henry... they were able to take boring routes that Herbert hit to perfection, and got us a bunch of YAC.

I agree with all of that......well said.....

I also loved some of the plays where Herbert moved around and looked like he might run, then quickly fired an accurate pass to henry or Allen...... for key first downs.....

[21&500]

even that incomplete to Henry was an impressive throw
Henry had a few drops but that was a tough one-hander
bottom line, Herbert makes throws others (TT) cant.

and ya, when i saw Herbert get drilled by that defender (name?)
i went from scared, to pounding my chest.

tough SOB that number 10

[gzubeck]

I don't care about the stats. They are great and everything, but that wasn't what was exciting about it.

Some of those throws were just pretty sick. The TD is the kind of throw TT and 80% of the starters in the NFL just can't make. The long 3rd down that he hit Allen on in the 3rd quarter was another. Some of the passes he missed, the WR was just not really open, he throws it high and wide so only our guys have a chance and then misses by inches on a sideline throw 25 yards downfield. He also threw that first pass to Kelley with his feet tangled up, his arm out of position, and just flicked his wrist and hit Kelley perfectly in stride. It took Rivers years to really master those short RB throws.

When he really is "on", he is going to start looking somewhat like Mahommes. Not exactly the same, Herbert is not as fluid, but Herbert has that kind of arm talent. He just needs to make those throws hundreds of times, like Brady, or Steve Young or any of the other greats. He will just get better bit by bit as he does it. He will struggle some from time to time. But he seems to handle it well enough to be able to learn from it.

And it is kind of fun that he knocked down a couple of the KC LB. I mean, he needs to watch it, we don't want him taking too many hits, but it is kind of fun.

The big difference between Tyrod and Herbert is:

1). Tyrod really doesn't like to throw the ball in the paint. Herbert seemed pretty comfortable throwing it everyone on the field, really helping to keep the D spread out. This is kind of a problem because Rivers was a inside/out reader. He preferred to favor the reads for the slot, backs and TE first, then going outside. So, even though we can change the offense, the type of route combinations our receivers run are mostly built around the inside/out principles, and TT kinda struggled with it vs Cinci. If Herbert isn't comfortable with it, I sure couldn't tell. The ball was getting out on time and on target.

2). TT is simply not able to place the ball like Herbert can. TT is so "programmed" to keep the ball protected, he was constantly throwing the ball behind the receivers and keeping it away from the defenders, but often at the expense of the receivers. It wasn't so bad that I can really argue with any given throw, but over the course of the game, it just added up. Today, Kelley, Ekeler, Henry... they were able to take boring routes that Herbert hit to perfection, and got us a bunch of YAC.

This put a smile on my face but yeah he needs to be careful. I told you he's Thor!

[Hadl2Alworth]

Herbert doesn't look that powerful but he packs a punch! I thought for certain that Herbert would come out on the short end of the first big LB hit. But noooooooooo.

[ChargersPowderBlue]

If Lynn puts Tyrod back in as starter that will be putting his job on the line as well. I hope he understands that. The kid threw for over 300 in his 1st NFL game. If that doesn't deserve another look I don't know what will.

If the offense is sluggish with Taylor when he gets put back in again, and it's a good bet he will be, Lynn's folly will be known.

Hopefully Lynn gets overruled by management.

[gzubeck]

Preaching to the choir here but sums up my feeling exactly!

[richpjr]

If the offense is sluggish with Taylor when he gets put back in again, and it's a good bet he will be, Lynn's folly will be known.

Hopefully Lynn gets overruled by management.

If Taylor had such bad chest pain he was taken to the hospital, I can’t imagine him being 100% next week. If he misses a few games due to it, he may not ever see the field again if Herbert continues to flash what he did today.

[bartman83642]

I think you guys are misreading. Herbert is the starter now, and I don't think he will stink against Carolina.... but what if he does? Leaf looked great in pre-season, and we know what happened. I'm happy of what I've seen, but he's still a rookie. Show me more.

Yeah, I shudder to remember the Leaf days. To be fair though, completely different situations between Leaf and Herbert. Leaf had an offensive line that makes our current one look like a juggernaut. Also not one of Leaf's skill players were able to manage a thousand yard season that year, either rushing or receiving. I don't think that any of them had 1000 yard seasons the year before either. Not to make excuses for Leaf but he was thrown in to what might have been one of the worst offenses ever.

[Chargerville]

Yeah, but it kind of does remind me of Mike Riley in 2001 never turning the offense over to Brees even though Brees looked good when he got into a Chiefs game and lead the Chargers back. Even when the Chargers were mathematically eliminated, he still decided to stick with Flutie over giving Brees a chance... which could have really helped his growth/confidence.