2022 Official Bolts Draft Superthread

[Steve]

I don’t know about taller DTs can play as low as shorter ones. Aaron Donald is 6’1”, it works for him. Tillery is 6’6” but well noted your other comments on technique. I don’t think its either or, i think its one, other or both at varying times. And then on some plays he executes well.

It doesn't matter if Tillery can get as low as Donald. Donald can probably get lower than almost any other DT of this era, but that is because he is a generational talent. The point is can Tillery get low enough to play with leverage. See below.


Great DT from the past (plus a few Chargers)
Alan Page 6'4"
Bob Lilly 6'5"
Kieth Millard 6'6" (had 20 sacks for Minn in the 1980s as the first true 3 tech DT).
Bill Pickell 6'5" - Pro Bowl NT for the Raiders in the 1980s
Ted Washington 6'5" - All pro NT for NE, Buffalo, and SF.
Bob Baumhower 6'5" -NT for the Famed Killer B's DL for the Dolphins
Gerald McCoy 6'4"
Louie Kelcher 6'5"
Joe Phillips 6'5"
Deforest Buckner 6'7" - not great yet, but playing at a high level the last 2 years.
Leon Lett 6'6"
Chris Jones 6'6" - 2nd best interior DL in football now.
Derek Wolfe 6'6"
Luther Elliss 6'5"
Chad Henning 6'6"
Eric Swann 6'5"
Earl Edwards 6'7" - all-pro numerous times in the 1970s.
Stephon Tuitt 6'6" - 11 sacks in 2020
Santana Dotson 6'6" - starter on GB SB teams in the late '90s
Merlin Olson 6'5" - HOF DT for the Rams
Ernie Ladd 6'9"
Buck Buchannon 6'7" - HOF and the most dominant DT of his time. Was so hard to block because of his combination of long arms and leverage that the Raiders drafted Gene Upshaw to play opposite him, even though at the time more people considered Upshaw too tall to play OG (he went on to the HOF too, even though he is 6'5").


That list is off the top of my head, it is in no way comprehensive. There are plenty of great players and notice there are a lot of NT in that group.

[ghost]

Oh! I haven't finished.




More pronouncements on defensive tackles coming soon.
Coming up: Phidarian Mathis & John Ridgeway - when the mood strikes.

I'm a big John Ridgeway honk. His stack-and-shed skill matrix is nuttier than squirrel shiate. I posted tape of him with the Redbirds.

Hello, Leo Chenal. Wow.

[beachcomber]

Hello, Leo Chenal. Wow.

8 sacks, 17.5 TFL (same 1.6/game as Devin Lloyd)

[Formula 21]

It doesn't matter if Tillery can get as low as Donald. Donald can probably get lower than almost any other DT of this era, but that is because he is a generational talent. The point is can Tillery get low enough to play with leverage. See below.


Great DT from the past (plus a few Chargers)
Alan Page 6'4"
Bob Lilly 6'5"
Kieth Millard 6'6" (had 20 sacks for Minn in the 1980s as the first true 3 tech DT).
Bill Pickell 6'5" - Pro Bowl NT for the Raiders in the 1980s
Ted Washington 6'5" - All pro NT for NE, Buffalo, and SF.
Bob Baumhower 6'5" -NT for the Famed Killer B's DL for the Dolphins
Gerald McCoy 6'4"
Louie Kelcher 6'5"
Joe Phillips 6'5"
Deforest Buckner 6'7" - not great yet, but playing at a high level the last 2 years.
Leon Lett 6'6"
Chris Jones 6'6" - 2nd best interior DL in football now.
Derek Wolfe 6'6"
Luther Elliss 6'5"
Chad Henning 6'6"
Eric Swann 6'5"
Earl Edwards 6'7" - all-pro numerous times in the 1970s.
Stephon Tuitt 6'6" - 11 sacks in 2020
Santana Dotson 6'6" - starter on GB SB teams in the late '90s
Merlin Olson 6'5" - HOF DT for the Rams
Ernie Ladd 6'9"
Buck Buchannon 6'7" - HOF and the most dominant DT of his time. Was so hard to block because of his combination of long arms and leverage that the Raiders drafted Gene Upshaw to play opposite him, even though at the time more people considered Upshaw too tall to play OG (he went on to the HOF too, even though he is 6'5").


That list is off the top of my head, it is in no way comprehensive. There are plenty of great players and notice there are a lot of NT in that group.

Personally I prefer tall long armed players. They get one arm on you and extend it, they own you. Get as low as you want, if you can’t get your hands on a guy you can’t outleverage him.

[Boltnut]

I'm a big John Ridgeway honk. His stack-and-shed skill matrix is nuttier than squirrel shiate. I posted tape of him with the Redbirds.

Hello, Leo Chenal. Wow.

Yup. I've mocked old Leo many a time. There are some really good LB's in the 3rd/4th round range. Chad Muma, Brandon Smith, Leo Chenel, and Quay Walker are my favorites in the 3rd/4th range. Some may say, "those guys will never fall that far". But the truth is... this draft class is loaded with LB depth. Guys will fall.

[Boltnut]

Scho wasn't anything special, 1st time around. He's a better than avg RG for us now. He may be holding down Jaimes position while he gets up to speed. The current OL coaches have done a good job with developing our OL depth.

"You are only as good as your last game" someone told me. Well, right now, Scho is an 84 as rated by PFF. And if you go back and watch his last 3-4 games, you'll find that he's no resemblance to the player he was at the beginning of the year (straight off the streets). I challenge you to keep your eye on him today during the Raiders game.

[Bolt Dude]

"You are only as good as your last game" someone told me. Well, right now, Scho is an 84 as rated by PFF. And if you go back and watch his last 3-4 games, you'll find that he's no resemblance to the player he was at the beginning of the year (straight off the streets). I challenge you to keep your eye on him today during the Raiders game.

By that logic Burrow is a better QB than Herbert.

How dare you, sir!

Joking aside, I think a player’s most recent game holds more weight than any other single game they’ve played, but it doesn’t out-weigh their entire body of work.

Personally, I’ll maintain that Schofield is an excellent depth piece, but he’s not the future at RG.

[Formula 21]

I’d hold that Scho is as good as any OG we’ll find in the 3rd or later in this year’s draft.

[Boltnut]

I’d hold that Scho is as good as any OG we’ll find in the 3rd or later in this year’s draft.

I agree. We'll see what it takes to re-sign Scho in the off-season. But it would be nice to have that position locked down (whether Schofield or Aboushi) by draft time.

[Boltnut]

By that logic Burrow is a better QB than Herbert.

How dare you, sir!

Joking aside, I think a player’s most recent game holds more weight than any other single game they’ve played, but it doesn’t out-weigh their entire body of work.

Personally, I’ll maintain that Schofield is an excellent depth piece, but he’s not the future at RG.

Right now... he is. Herbie has to take better care of the ball.
It is what it is...
Schofield is the better RG right now. Jaimes doesn't even get a sniff... I'm not buying from "no sniff" to "protect the franchise" in an off-season.

"I'll see it when I believe it" -PM

[Bolt Dude]

Right now... he is. Herbie has to take better care of the ball.
It is what it is...
Schofield is the better RG right now. Jaimes doesn't even get a sniff... I'm not buying from "no sniff" to "protect the franchise" in an off-season.

"I'll see it when I believe it" -PM

Re: Herbert vs. Burrow

I think we’re looking at it two different ways, which is fine.

The way I see it, if I’m the GM of an expansion team and I can poach either Herbert or Burrow as the QB of my franchise, I’m taking Herbert 10/10 regardless of how either of them played over one week of the season.

Thats just my opinion.

[Boltnut]

Re: Herbert vs. Burrow

I think we’re looking at it two different ways, which is fine.

The way I see it, if I’m the GM of an expansion team and I can poach either Herbert or Burrow as the QB of my franchise, I’m taking Herbert 10/10 regardless of how either of them played over one week of the season.

Thats just my opinion.

Re: Herbert vs. Burrow

Both are very good.