2023 Official Charger Draft - Post Draft Discussion (Daily Links In OP)

[wu-dai clan]

But I wanna harp...

[Boltnut]

The first round pick should be fine we needed another WR and got a top prospect. If this draft is a typical TT draft our first round pick will be fine. Like most of his other drafts its his evaluation of talent that usually could of been better... Meaning in round 2 was there a better Dline/Edge on the board? In the 3rd round was there a better ILB on the board? in the 4th round was there a better WR on the board. On top of this aspect was there a RB, CB, TE or FS on the board that would of gave us better depth as opposed to the 6th and 7th round pick TT decieded on?

2nd round: No, there wasn't a better EDGE on the board. Tuli's 13.5 sacks led the nation.
3rd round: Henly is an off-ball LB. He'll be taking over for K9 in a year (if not sooner). I like his read/react skillset.
4th round: There were probably better pure receivers there. But was that what we were looking for there? Or were we looking for the best return man in the draft...? Were we looking for a guy for Kellen Moore to use on jet sweeps and bubble screens...? Was 4th round too high? Not if you're looking to add a wrinkle to the offense that wasn't currently there. Make no mistake... Davis isn't just a return man.

Just because the whole TPB board was obsessed with RB, CB and TE... doesn't mean that's what we needed. I suspect CB and FS get addressed post-draft.

[sonorajim]

Woods has the speed & ball skills to play FS. They can't count on him yet but I doubt they spend much in FA for FS.
Slot CB & good CB depth mainly.

[Topcat]

The book on Kellen Moore says he doesn't stick with one scheme... he uses a variety of schemes.
Maybe he used a lot of 21 personnel in Dallas because their receivers (outside of CeeDee Lamb) were not the calibur of receivers available to him now.

I expect to see a wide variety of formations designed to exploit various defenses... week to week.

Sounds good...Moore is the UN-Lombo...

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Woods has the speed & ball skills to play FS. They can't count on him yet but I doubt they spend much in FA for FS.
Slot CB & good CB depth mainly.

Shifting gears a bit, any chance the Bolts could have an interest in Zeke Elliot? Kellen Moore connection, and all.

[WindsorUK]

Woods has the speed & ball skills to play FS. They can't count on him yet but I doubt they spend much in FA for FS.
Slot CB & good CB depth mainly.

Outside of his lack of tackling/hitting skills, oh, and his ability to read and react, sure, Woods is just fine( TIC)
Sorry Jim, Woods is NOWHERE near being a serviceable FS.
They'll bring in a veteran FA to either man the position, or back up Gillman( depending on how they feel about Alohi's skills).

[WindsorUK]

Shifting gears a bit, any chance the Bolts could have an interest in Zeke Elliot? Kellen Moore connection, and all.

It would make sense IF he's willing to take very little money.

[sonorajim]

Shifting gears a bit, any chance the Bolts could have an interest in Zeke Elliot? Kellen Moore connection, and all.

Slim chance. I think Kellen & Zeke would have to be drivers on this and make it 1 yr, cheap.

[ghost]

2023 NFL DRAFT PICKS


R1 (21): WR Quentin Johnston, TCU
R2 (54): EDGE Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
R3 (85): LB Daiyan Henley, Washington State
R4 (125): WR Derius Davis, TCU
R5 (156): T Jordan McFadden, Clemson
R6 (200): DI Scott Matlock, Boise State
R7 (239): QB Max Duggan, TCU

Day 1: The Chargers land the third-ranked wide receiver on the PFF big board, and a player who can make people miss in space in TCU’s Quentin Johnston. He forced 19 missed tackles on just 60 receptions and averaged 17.8 yards per catch. He did drop 11.8% of the catchable passes thrown his way this past season, though.

Day 2: Tuipulotu is one of the youngest players in the class at 20 years old and earned an 81.0 pass-rush grade in 2022 with a 19.1% pass-rush win rate. The Chargers are very smart to add a third edge beyond Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack. They can move him around as well, as the USC product has the size to play as a three-technique defensive tackle or on the edge.

Henley is as explosive as can be with a big tackle radius and elite tackling numbers. He missed a mere five tackles on 97 attempts in 2022, his first year at the Power Five level after transferring from Nevada. Henley’s coverage skills are very much a work in progress, but he has the traits to develop into a quality off-ball linebacker for the Chargers.

Day 3: Davis ran a 4.36-second 40-yard dash and can be explosive with the ball in his hands. He lacks route-running polish and was generally at his best when running crossing routes. The speedster offers immediate value in the return game but is likely more of a gadget player than a consistent contributor on offense — think Year 1 and 2 Mecole Hardman.

McFadden started at tackle in each of the past three seasons for Clemson (right tackle in 2020 and left tackle in 2021-22), but he’ll likely kick inside in the NFL at 6-foot-2. He graded out in the 88th percentile of all qualifying college tackles in zone run-blocking grade over his Clemson career and should add nice depth to a Chargers’ offensive line whose depth was tested last year.

A rugged run-stopper out of Boise State, Matlock has little pass-rush ability. He does add beef to a Chargers defense that has long had issues against the run. His 78.3 run-defense grade was the best among Boise State’s defense.

Duggan joins the Chargers as a developmental prospect who can comfortably sit behind Justin Herbert. He has tremendous intangibles and a solid ability to improvise. He needs to clean up his throwing mechanics and processing from the pocket.

DRAFT GRADE: A-

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-los-angeles-chargers-2023-nfl-draft-picks-analysis-and-prospect-spotlight

[sonorajim]

Outside of his lack of tackling/hitting skills, oh, and his ability to read and react, sure, Woods is just fine( TIC)
Sorry Jim, Woods is NOWHERE near being a serviceable FS.
They'll bring in a veteran FA to either man the position, or back up Gillman( depending on how they feel about Alohi's skills).

Read & react is good playing back & coming to the ball. Tackling - not good. We have no idea if he's cleaned up his act. I thought he was trying too hard as a rookie.
I like Gillman as depth / rotation player. Speed deficit. Other skills good.

[charger1_sj]

2023 NFL DRAFT PICKS


R1 (21): WR Quentin Johnston, TCU
R2 (54): EDGE Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
R3 (85): LB Daiyan Henley, Washington State
R4 (125): WR Derius Davis, TCU
R5 (156): T Jordan McFadden, Clemson
R6 (200): DI Scott Matlock, Boise State
R7 (239): QB Max Duggan, TCU

Day 1: The Chargers land the third-ranked wide receiver on the PFF big board, and a player who can make people miss in space in TCU’s Quentin Johnston. He forced 19 missed tackles on just 60 receptions and averaged 17.8 yards per catch. He did drop 11.8% of the catchable passes thrown his way this past season, though.

Day 2: Tuipulotu is one of the youngest players in the class at 20 years old and earned an 81.0 pass-rush grade in 2022 with a 19.1% pass-rush win rate. The Chargers are very smart to add a third edge beyond Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack. They can move him around as well, as the USC product has the size to play as a three-technique defensive tackle or on the edge.

Henley is as explosive as can be with a big tackle radius and elite tackling numbers. He missed a mere five tackles on 97 attempts in 2022, his first year at the Power Five level after transferring from Nevada. Henley’s coverage skills are very much a work in progress, but he has the traits to develop into a quality off-ball linebacker for the Chargers.

Day 3: Davis ran a 4.36-second 40-yard dash and can be explosive with the ball in his hands. He lacks route-running polish and was generally at his best when running crossing routes. The speedster offers immediate value in the return game but is likely more of a gadget player than a consistent contributor on offense — think Year 1 and 2 Mecole Hardman.

McFadden started at tackle in each of the past three seasons for Clemson (right tackle in 2020 and left tackle in 2021-22), but he’ll likely kick inside in the NFL at 6-foot-2. He graded out in the 88th percentile of all qualifying college tackles in zone run-blocking grade over his Clemson career and should add nice depth to a Chargers’ offensive line whose depth was tested last year.

A rugged run-stopper out of Boise State, Matlock has little pass-rush ability. He does add beef to a Chargers defense that has long had issues against the run. His 78.3 run-defense grade was the best among Boise State’s defense.

Duggan joins the Chargers as a developmental prospect who can comfortably sit behind Justin Herbert. He has tremendous intangibles and a solid ability to improvise. He needs to clean up his throwing mechanics and processing from the pocket.

DRAFT GRADE: A-

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-los-angeles-chargers-2023-nfl-draft-picks-analysis-and-prospect-spotlight

Bolts from the Blue doesn't exactly agree with everything. Not that they are correct, they make plenty of mistakes. But it may be worth your time
reading the post draft grades they gave and assessment. Not exactly the glowing review from above. You can also take a look a many other
post draft assessments. I'd say the consensus is a C.

[Riverwalk]

Shifting gears a bit, any chance the Bolts could have an interest in Zeke Elliot? Kellen Moore connection, and all.

I think there’s interest only if Ekeler doesn’t come back.

With better scheming and blocking, I think the Chargers are fine with Ek, Kelley, and Spiller.

Next season is a different story.