2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Cdn Bolt]

This way will work for our transition. There are needs across the roster.

Hortiz mentioned depth the other day.

I have 54 years of watching the Chargers unsuccessfully seeking Lombardis by counting on elite players, such as MHJ and Nabers, while concurrently lacking in depth.

My sympathies. I have only served 44 yrs lol. I think they will do everything to trade down. That being said it wouldnt be the end of the world to take a real game changer at WR. My feeling though is that WRs aren't great #1 picks as they always get jacked up and hurt ie MW but would be ok if they handle their reps and use well - ie less crazy jump balls were they get all jacked up.

[Cdn Bolt]

A guy I like to watch/listen to is Voch Lombardi. He studies primarily OL as he was a player/coach @OL himself.
Here is his take on Fuaga. Take a look-see around the 4:00 mark. This is what Fuaga does better than any OT in the entire draft.
Pipkins doesn't even come close to this type of movement skill @the 2nd level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3aLWZVfoEU

I could see us taking this guy w our #11 (assuming a trade) . BAL has always had mammoth run blockers at RT, Morgan Moses, Orlando Brown etc It is their DNA

[Boltnut]

Another DT to look at in the 2nd rnd if he makes it out of the 1st rnd. Jer'Zhan "Johnny" Newton, DT, Illinios.

Jer’Zhan Newton Ultimate Illinois Highlights 🦍 || HD (youtube.com)

One guy that I really like is Ruke Orhorhoro. Some "experts" have him as an early 3rd round prospect, but I have him as an early 2nd round prospect. I think he has underrated strength and pass rush ability. IMO, I have him and Kris Jenkins ranked closely together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjK_sTIA_-8

[wu-dai clan]

My sympathies lol. I am only 44. I think they will do everything to trade down. That being said it wouldnt be the end of the world to take a real game changer at WR. My feeling though is that WRs aren't great #1 picks as they always get jacked up and hurt ie MW but would be ok if they handle their reps and use well - ie n less crazy jump balls were they get all jacked up.

We will still be debating the 2024 Draft years from now.
And rightfully so.
I will embrace whoever we end up with.
The Chargers are at a fateful fork in the road.

[eaterfan]

My sympathies lol. I am only 44. I think they will do everything to trade down. That being said it wouldnt be the end of the world to take a real game changer at WR. My feeling though is that WRs aren't great #1 picks as they always get jacked up and hurt ie MW but would be ok if they handle their reps and use well - ie n less crazy jump balls were they get all jacked up.

Honest question, what position in the NFL doesn't get hurt all the time? Slater, Bosa, Murray, James, and Herbert have all missed significant time as recent first round picks. I guess Zion hasn't?

[Boltnut]

I am fearlessly mocking him to us @ #5, Nutty.
beach was all over it early.
Perfect fit.
Natural position is ORT.
Team Interviews are off the charts.
This guy lives the game of football.

I would prefer a trade-back to #10 or #11. Extra pick(s) always.
If I stay @#5... Joe Alt is the guy (you were all over this early)... because he's so well-rounded.
Your favorite evaluator (Thorn) likes Alt (#1 OT prospect).

[wu-dai clan]

I would prefer a trade-back to #10 or #11. Extra pick(s) always.
If I stay @#5... Joe Alt is the guy (you were all over this early)... because he's so well-rounded.
Your favorite evaluator (Thorn) likes Alt (#1 OT prospect).

I certainly liked what I saw at the ProDay in South Bend.

On game tape, Alt showed great improvement in striking power.

There were some huge holes.

[jamrock]

SF could not beat KC in spite of superior depth and elite talent.

We will eventually have both depth and well priced elite talent, but I don't see Jimbo putting the horse before the cart.

Sidebar. It's actually 59 years of hanging in for me and for you too, Sir.

Sidebar #2. When you stated "don't @ me !" that was a trope, like "You don't know ball."

I did not know that.

Yes and you could argue that the Eagles had superior depth and elite talent the year before. Except Mahomes.

But the 9ers and Eagles both got to the big game and had ample chances to win.

Let's get there

[Cdn Bolt]

Honest question, what position in the NFL doesn't get hurt all the time? Slater, Bosa, Murray, James, and Herbert have all missed significant time as recent first round picks. I guess Zion hasn't?

WR is one of the more risky postions to draft in Rnd 1. per this article LB , OL, DT and IOL are the most successful.

Assessing First-Round NFL Draft Picks By Approximate Value | The 33rd Team

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[wu-dai clan]

Leaving no stone unturned, here is the unspeakable.

Should we draft Alt @ #5
To play OLT ?

Then trade Rashawn for medium, high draft picks.

We would stave off for a handful of years the need to pay an expensive franchise OLT contract.

[wu-dai clan]

WR is one of the more risky postions to draft in Rnd 1. per this article LB , OL, DT and IOL are the most successful.

Assessing First-Round NFL Draft Picks By Approximate Value | The 33rd Team

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On The Athletic Football Show, it was recently pointed out how vital, rare and expensive hard to come by Inside penetrators are.

Chris Jones.
Christian Wilkins.
Justin Madabuike.
The just retired Great Aaron Donald.

"Shortest path to the QB."

[eaterfan]

WR is one of the more risky postion to draft in Rnd 1. per this article LB , OL, DT and IOL are the most successful.

Assessing First-Round NFL Draft Picks By Approximate Value | The 33rd Team

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You were talking about health of Charges draft picks, not success rates.

But if we are doing just overall risk, there is some survivor bias in there. The non premium positions have a higher hit rate because you have to be an Uber prospect to be taken there. Example, a team may take a WR with a second round grade in the mid to late 1st if they have big upside like Johnston because if you hit the reward is a cheap great player at an impact position. A team isn't taking an OG or DT in the mid to late first if they don't have a 1st round grade on them.

It's not a meaningless stat, if you are deciding between a guy at a premium position you have a lower grade on vs a higher grade at a less risky position, maybe that's a good route breaker. But when you're looking at a higher graded player at a premium position then I think the team should go in that direction.

IMO the top 3 WRs are 3 of the 4 highest graded players in this class. Bowers is also graded highly, but TE isn't a premium position and is risky in the first round.