2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[jamrock]

I expect 1 draft, 1 FA vet reclamation "Joe" deal after the draft, and 2 to 4 UDFAs to compete of which one may or may not beat out current PS scrubs

The notion we'd draft 3 WRs is just whack imo. I can't fathom such a singular investment. but hey - what do I know, just my guess like the rest.

Def can't be all draft but whomever they get in the draft has to be a hit

[Formula 21]

MHJ is like the politician who is leading in the polls, but declines to debate. Why risk injury or his stock going down because he "underperforms" in some area? Scouts have plenty of tape to watch...

So he's scared to compete? Don't we want guys who are uber-competitiors?

[jamrock]

I believe Herbert threw to Keenan a lot because he knew exactly where Keenan was going, what he was doing.

Alex Erickson can give us a bit of the same.

Fehoko, with his size and speed can block, can fill a role.

What we lack is a true WR#1.

Will it be WR by committee lol ?

With a few notable exceptions that's general concept Andy Reid and Bill Belichick have used. WR by committee.

[Jack Burton]

With a few notable exceptions that's general concept Andy Reid and Bill Belichick have used. WR by committee.

And yet both had an elite TE….
Which is what Jim loves..

[Formula 21]

MHJ is still #1WR IMO. You can line him up anywhere... whereas, Nabers is more effective in the slot v 2nd and 3rd CB's... and safeties. Abusing safeties is his specialty. Going against Kool-Aid... LSU really never looked his way. Maybe they saw better match-up (Thomas Jr), maybe they thought Nabers v Kool-Aid was a bad matchup...

MHJ offered to do drills and run the 40-yard dash. Teams #1-9 said, "we're good... you're good". The tape doesn't lie... physically gifted with speed. NFL ready and immediate impact player. If he even makes it to #4, Kyler will love him! If the Cards take him @#4, they can take care of their other needs with multiple picks (7 in the Top-100)... they can even get another WR (which they need) in the 2nd-4th rounds.

Ignore the talkie-talk... MHJ is WR#1. IMO, the difference between MHJ and Nabers is larger than people are currently acknowledging.
Just my opinion based on watching game tape (numerous games of each).

Nabers vs Kool Aid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSO2vzT_PH4

[Formula 21]

I just want to post a little competing info to show how hard the choice between Harrison and Nabers is. I like his size a lot, I just wish he would show us his leg talent in pre draft workouts.

What is Marvin Harrison Jr.'s 40 time? Why Ohio State star skipped pro day after no-show NFL Combine workout



Jacob Camenker

03-20-2024 • 4 min read






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Ohio State is hosting its annual Pro Day for its NFL Draft prospects Wednesday, but anyone hoping to see Marvin Harrison Jr. perform at it is out of luck.
Harrison is projected to be the first non-quarterback selected in the 2024 NFL Draft, and many were looking forward to seeing what he could do in the typical pre-draft workouts. From the 40-yard dash to the gauntlet drill, it was expected that Harrison would impress.

However, Harrison decided not to participate in his Pro Day. He didn't participate in the 2024 NFL Combine either, perplexing many football fans.
Harrison's decision is unique, but it's sensible when considering his career trajectory.

Why didn't Marvin Harrison Jr. work out at his Pro Day?

Harrison didn't work out at his Pro Day or the NFL Combine for a simple reason. He didn't have to.

Harrison opted not to train for the NFL Combine and Pro Day drills, a time-consuming process that doesn't necessarily translate to on-field success. Instead, he worked with Mickey Marotti, a strength and conditioning specialist, to prepare himself to play at the NFL level, per Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.

A player declining to perform these drills might be a red flag for a run-of-the-mill NFL Draft prospect, but Harrison is anything but ordinary. The Ohio State star was consistent for the Buckeyes, averaging 72 catches, 1,237 yards, and 14 touchdowns over his past two seasons.

Harrison is viewed as one of the best receiver prospects since Calvin Johnson and has no character concerns, as Breer noted.

[Harrison] can simply tell NFL teams to turn on the tape—how he runs a 40, or a three-cone drill, or routes on air probably won’t change how high he’s going to go. His sterling reputation as a worker and a person also give Harrison even more flexibility here. That allows everyone to view Harrison’s plan as strictly a business decision, made with an eye towards having a great rookie year, rather than as some reflection on his character.

That should lock Harrison as the first receiver selected in the 2024 NFL Draft, even as the buzz surrounding LSU star Malik Nabers grows.

Were NFL teams not so quarterback-needy, Harrison could be the No. 1 pick in the draft. As it stands, the first three picks of the 2024 NFL Draft are expected to be passers, but barring a trade-up from a quarterback-needy team, Harrison should be the No. 4 selection.

It would be a surprise to see any non-quarterback selected ahead of Harrison, so it's easy to understand why he didn't feel the need to work out at his Pro Day. He is a top-five lock and it would be shocking if anything pushed him down the board.

Harrison did not run a 40-yard dash, as he elected not to work out at the NFL Combine or his Pro Day. That said, Harrison gave fans an idea of just how fast he can go on his first touchdown of the 2023 college football season. He posted a top speed of 22.2 mph on a touchdown catch and run against Youngstown State, per Reel Analytics.

Harrison once told The Athletic he could run a 40-yard dash in the high-4.3 range. That speed shows up on tape, so he didn't need to showcase it before the draft.

[Boltnut]

Nabers vs Kool Aid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSO2vzT_PH4

You'll notice that these particular plays happened in 2022. In 2023, they stayed away from Kool-Aid. One of the receptions (early play) came on 3rd down... the reception didn't pick up the 1st down. On other receptions, you'll see they came against Terrion Arnold (#3).

If you watch the whole game (Ala v LSU) in 2023... you'll see Nabors' big plays came against safety Malachi Moore.

[gzubeck]

Nabers vs Kool Aid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSO2vzT_PH4

I think the game plan to shut him down was very good. I definitely think they had plans to essentially double team him so Mcinstry could cling to him like glue without fear of getting burned deep. Therefore Thomas was being single covered and getting the ball. Because of this the NFL should allow us to draft them as a combo pick(Nabers + Thomas)! LOL!

[Chargers8491]

I think the game plan to shut him down was very good. I definitely think they had plans to essentially double team him so Mcinstry could cling to him like glue without fear of getting burned deep. Therefore Thomas was being single covered and getting the ball. Because of this the NFL should allow us to draft them as a combo pick(Nabers + Thomas)! LOL!

Thomas is a guy I think the Chargers were looking hard at during LSU pro days. He is another WR the Chargers could be looking at in the back of rnd 1 if they trade back. They could take OT #11 and WR # 23 or #27.

[eaterfan]

And yet both had an elite TE….
Which is what Jim loves..

Andy Reid has made 5 Superbowls in 3 of those 5 teams had T.O. or Tyreke Hill on them.
Billicheck coached in 9 SBs. Half of his wins came before Gronk was drafted and 4/9 appearances. I believe they also had some guy named Randy Moss at some point.

I don't think we can really generalize the preference of these coaches and their pass catching makeup.

I should also add, the Pats did spend a decent number of 1st and 2nd round picks on WRs. They just weren't good at drafting/developing them. I don't think it's because they didn't value them.

[Boltnut]

So he's scared to compete? Don't we want guys who are uber-competitiors?

I think all you have to do is go watch some MHJ game tape to answer those questions (if they are real questions).
He offered to compete @pro day. Teams said, "No we're good."
No need for an injury... if you already know he's the #1 guy.
The pick @#4 only becomes difficult if he blew out a knee in a meaningless workout.

[gzubeck]

Thomas is a guy I think the Chargers were looking hard at during LSU pro days. He is another WR the Chargers could be looking at in the back of rnd 1 if they trade back. They could take OT #11 and WR # 23 or #27.

I just don't think he will be there at #23...I would do the inverse...pick him at #11 and then take a OT at #23.