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  • C'monchargers
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    Originally posted by Fleet View Post
    ANALYTICS TOP 300 RANKINGS (2020 NFL DRAFT)


    BY HAYDEN WINKS
    March 8, 2020, 6:53 pm ET
    Updated On: March 9, 2020, 10:34 am ET
    FacebookTwitterRedditEmailPrint Before we get to the rankings, I’ve decided to make the “10 Draft Commandments” after doing all of this research:

    1) Understand that all of our prospect rankings suck. Even multi-million dollar GMs are bad.

    2) Seriously. Everyone sucks at this. Draft Twitter, anonymous scouts, Belichick. All quite bad!

    3) With that out of the way… Try to trade down, unless you’re drafting a quarterback.

    4) Adjust for positional value. QB > other positions > RB.

    5) Athleticism matters more on defense than it does on offense, especially at EDGE.

    6) Younger players are typically better. Adjust college production by age.

    7) College production matters more at some positions (QB, RB, WR, EDGE, LB).

    8) Counting and market share stats are more important than efficiency stats.

    9) TFLs and solo tackles are more predictive than sacks for DT, EDGE, and LB prospects.

    10) Players on good college teams are usually better. Small school prospects aren’t discounted.
    Analytics Top 300 Rankings (2020 NFL Draft)


    If you’re curious about the step-by-step process of this project, I outlined it under the Top 300 Big Board on Page 4, but essentially I’m projecting NFL production using college stats, athleticism, and film. That means this is NOT an analytics-only big board. Instead, it’s a big board that combines film grades and analytics, adjusting for positional value of course. That’s why you’ll see QB Jordan Love ranked highly despite not being an analytics quarterback. If I was only using analytics, Love wouldn’t be a top-five quarterback prospect, but ignoring film (or analytics) is a bad process, as the kids say.



    Page 1: QB, RB, WR, TE

    Page 2: OT, IOL, DT, EDGE

    Page 3: LB, CB, S

    Page 4: Top 300 Big Board and Methodology

    Quarterbacks


    How to read this table: “Justin Herbert, an 82nd percentile quarterback prospect, is the QB4 and No. 5 overall player in the 2020 NFL Draft.”
    Overall Prospect Pos Percentile Notes
    1 Joe Burrow QB1 0.98 Ranked 4th-of-179 in my QB database
    2 Tua Tagovailoa QB2 0.93 2nd in Total QBR in 2018 and 2019
    4 Jalen Hurts QB3 0.91 Efficient 21yo passer with rushing ability
    5 Justin Herbert QB4 0.82 Traits paired with above-avg production
    13 Jordan Love QB5 0.69 Awful numbers, will still be drafted high
    24 Anthony Gordon QB6 0.62 95th percentile in Total EPA, small arm
    26 Jake Fromm QB7 0.61 Below-average stats/traits but smart
    32 Jacob Eason QB8 0.57 Big arm but 1 year of average production
    174 Nathan Stanley QB9 0.26
    186 Steven Montez QB10 0.25
    201 Brian Lewerke QB11 0.23
    206 Shea Patterson QB12 0.22
    247 Cole McDonald QB13 0.15
    299 James Morgan QB14 0.08
    For more on the quarterback class, read my early reports and statistical evals here.



    Running Backs


    How to read this table: “Jonathan Taylor, a 96th percentile running back prospect, is the RB1 and No. 58 overall player in the 2020 NFL Draft.”
    Overall Prospect Pos Percentile Notes
    58 Jonathan Taylor RB1 0.96 3 seasons of 1,975+ RuYDs, 4.39 speed
    64 J.K. Dobbins RB2 0.95 21yo, 161 ToYD/G, most 20+ yard rushes
    76 Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB3 0.89 21yo, 94 RuYD/G, 55 catches, 4.60 forty
    84 D'Andre Swift RB4 0.82 21yo, efficient runner, 73 career catches
    98 Cam Akers RB5 0.76 20yo, 14 TDs/30 catches at FSU, 4.47 forty
    128 Zack Moss RB6 0.63
    132 AJ Dillon RB7 0.62
    140 Eno Benjamin RB8 0.56
    179 Antonio Gibson RB9 0.43
    202 Ke'Shawn Vaughn RB10 0.37
    203 Lamical Perine RB11 0.37
    212 Darrynton Evans RB12 0.34
    213 Joshua Kelley RB13 0.33
    230 Anthony McFarland RB14 0.28
    257 Michael Warren RB15 0.21
    287 Scottie Phillips RB16 0.15
    289 LeVante Bellamy RB17 0.14
    292 J.J. Taylor RB18 0.11
    293 DeeJay Dallas RB19 0.11
    294 Salvon Ahmed RB20 0.11
    297 Ben LeMay RB21 0.10
    For more on the running back class, read my early reports and statistical evals here.








    The Process
    1. Gather data (athleticism, college production, and NFL production) for all drafted players from the 2005 draft class and on.
    2. Build two different multiple-linear regression models based on the first step.
      1. Adjusted SPARQ = position-adjusted athleticism
      2. Production Score = age and team-adjusted college production
    3. Build the final multiple-linear regression model using Adjusted SPARQ, Production Score, and draft capital that predicts Approximate Value per Game over a prospect’s first four NFL seasons. This means the model is accounting for film as well.
    4. Adjust the final model’s projections to further account for positional value. In terms of importance, I have the positions tiered as:
      1. QB
      2. CB, EDGE, OT, WR
      3. DT, LB, S, IOL, TE
      4. RB
    Although the way he starts out the article sounded like he is putting out mere info and he doesn't really believe much in it. I believe that is because he is not considering each position has its own importance in different strength and traits. Personally it has a lot to deal with how closely you play to the line of scrimmage.

    Anyhow, One name among QB that jumps out to me about his system is Nate Stanley. Would like to hear more on what he thinks.

    Also, I agree with the listing for the most part, JK Dobbins is probably my top RB this year, he is up there. Just my personal liking. Then my second favorite value on the list is Cam Akers. His draft position is definitely well worth his talent. Most impressive thing about him has to be his patience in waiting for the open lane. Le'veon-ish.
    Last edited by C'monchargers; 03-11-2020, 10:51 PM.

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    • chargeroo
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      Originally posted by blueman View Post

      You’ve been pimping him for awhile, sir. Carry on with your bad self and if we draft him I’ll cheer for him along with you. Gotta give these kids a chance, the league needs them lol.

      You know, I will say this about Herbert: when he plays, he plays effing fierce. Whatever laid back nature he has leaves the building and he looks very fired up out there. Good thing, IMO.
      I'm not advocating we draft him. I'm just saying I think he's better than some do.
      I hope they don't use the #6 pick on a QB because there are several position players that be available that would do us a lot more good than a rookie QB will do us. We can get the QB in round 2.
      THE YEAR OF THE FLIP!

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      • Topcat
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        Originally posted by chargeroo View Post

        I'm not advocating we draft him. I'm just saying I think he's better than some do.
        I hope they don't use the #6 pick on a QB because there are several position players that be available that would do us a lot more good than a rookie QB will do us. We can get the QB in round 2.
        Sounds like Hurts...and if the Bolts see him as an upgrade from T-Mobile and Stick, I'd be willing to pull the trigger...

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        • chargeroo
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          Originally posted by Topcat View Post

          Sounds like Hurts...and if the Bolts see him as an upgrade from T-Mobile and Stick, I'd be willing to pull the trigger...
          Hurts does look like the kind of QB our HC would like. I won't be shocked if we pick him. He sure can run an RPO offense and he can hurt teams when he escapes the rush. If he can learn to think pass a bit longer before taking off he could be good.

          Who knows? History tells us that knowing ahead of time who will be a great QB is nearly impossible.
          THE YEAR OF THE FLIP!

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          • wu-dai clan
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            OK coupon shoppers,
            how much of a better deal
            is it to get Hurts @ #37
            than to get James Morgan @ #186 ?

            That is the question which needs to be answered.

            We do not play modern football.

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            • chargeroo
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              Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
              OK coupon shoppers,
              how much of a better deal
              is it to get Hurts @ #37
              than to get James Morgan @ #186 ?

              That is the question which needs to be answered.
              James Morgan? - Are you looking for third string QB?
              THE YEAR OF THE FLIP!

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              • wu-dai clan
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                Originally posted by chargeroo View Post

                James Morgan? - Are you looking for third string QB?
                I will repeat.

                In your opinion is Hurts at #37
                a better deal,
                all things considered,
                than Morgan at #186 ?

                Part of my inquiry is whether or not
                we should roll the dice that Morgan
                surprises the hell out of us.

                We do not play modern football.

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                • chargeroo
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                  I'm the wrong guy to ask because I'm not a fan of Hurts even though I think AL probably is.

                  As for Morgan, he was pretty decent in the Shrine game. I saw him play one other game during the season and he didn't impress me.
                  THE YEAR OF THE FLIP!

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                  • wu-dai clan
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                    Originally posted by chargeroo View Post
                    I'm the wrong guy to ask because I'm not a fan of Hurts even though I think AL probably is.

                    As for Morgan, he was pretty decent in the Shrine game. I saw him play one other game during the season and he didn't impress me.
                    I have done a lot of homework.
                    Thank you for your response.
                    Morgan has leadership qualities, a quuck release, and some mobility.
                    The mechanics are sloppy but correctable.
                    Hurts edge is level of competition.
                    Otherwise, the description is interchangeable.
                    We do not play modern football.

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                    • like54ninjas
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                      Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post

                      I will repeat.

                      In your opinion is Hurts at #37
                      a better deal,
                      all things considered,
                      than Morgan at #186 ?

                      Part of my inquiry is whether or not
                      we should roll the dice that Morgan
                      surprises the hell out of us.
                      Steven Montez, Bryce Perkins, Tyler Huntley all fit as day 3 QBs with mobility and upside.
                      Montez has a very strong arm, leadership attributes, athleticism, speed to execute RPOs but lacks consistency and processing/decision making.
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                      • wu-dai clan
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                        Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

                        Steven Montez, Bryce Perkins, Tyler Huntley all fit as day 3 QBs with mobility and upside.
                        Montez has a very strong arm, leadership attributes, athleticism, speed to execute RPOs but lacks consistency and processing/decision making.
                        Perkins is a hit for me, ninja.
                        We do not play modern football.

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                        • sonorajim
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                          Options if we stay at #6, including those unlikely to remain:
                          QB : Burrow, Tua
                          Edge: Young
                          DB/LB : Okudah, Simmons
                          OL: Becton, Thomas, Wills, Wirfs
                          DT: Brown

                          I'd take my highest remaining guy and be happy. This is a great year to pick at 6 & 37.

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