2020 Draft Prospect Discussion

[21&500]

here is an interesting viewpoint.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQo33Qdirzo

Certain players like Rivers, Brees, Brady, Manning, Wilson...... obviously football is everything in their lives....... and there are others like leaf.... etc..... who do not fit that mold......

Physical talent isn't everything..... some guys like Tua and Burrow have more than physical talent.... the Bosa brothers are talented but the intangibles are even stronger..... same with manning's......

Ekelr.....Lionel little train james...... little guys who excel because of effort......

I want a team full of effort guys..... bellycheat is really great at finding those kinds of guys like eddleman....etc.....

I stay out of the personality guessing game myself.
with his physical tools, it wouldn’t shock me if JH ended up the best qb of them all.
Wouldn’t be shocked if he busts either
He looks to be soft-spoken, that’s not necessarily soft
beta perhaps
but that doesn’t mean much to me if he can also have inner strengths like quiet confidence, maturity, disciplined.
I think it’s a pretty harsh judgement to say football isn’t a priority to someone, there better be damn good evidence.

[beachcomber]

if things roll 50/50 would handicap the QB class as such....

solids >> Burrow & Fromm

eye think they have a chance >> Eason & Anthony Gordon

don't like their chances, quite possible busts/disappointements, and even tho they might be fun @times to watch along the way >> Tua, Justin, Love, Jalen ????

[Fleet]

Are we sort of phasing out of the prospect breakdowns now? Going with just straight Draft Discussion? I can take this thread of sticky if needed. Free up some space. Get the Mock Thread back up.

[Topcat]

Are we sort of phasing out of the prospect breakdowns now? Going with just straight Draft Discussion? I can take this thread of sticky if needed. Free up some space. Get the Mock Thread back up.

Yes, looks that way, Fleet. Because we have "2020 NFL Draft Talk - Combine Discussion" at #1 sticky position, this thread and that one are kind of redundant. How about if u unstick this thread and we'll see if it starts dropping. Besides, the combine is coming up, which the other thread includes, and future news is always the hot item.

[Fleet]

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[C'monchargers]

Are we sort of phasing out of the prospect breakdowns now? Going with just straight Draft Discussion? I can take this thread of sticky if needed. Free up some space. Get the Mock Thread back up.

Speaking of prospects, IMO In a bubble Justin Herbert has a lot of eye candies and in certain setting he is going to look very good. He is going to win some hearts during the combine and proday. Justin Herbert needs the perfect pocket, the right play call, the perfect timing to make things happen. As "strong" as his arm is, his yardage this year rank only barely within top 20 just above Jordan Love. Even the other JH, Jalen Hurts who had rushed for 20 TD this year rank within top 10 who attempted 80 less passes and completed 50 less and almost 400 more yards. So what was it? Was it the talent around him or was it the system's fault?

Justin Herbert has one and one only favorite throw - "the Fastball". Not that he is completely incapable of other throws; he has done it from time to time, not greatly but.... he did it. Is that, in the priority chart, his trust in his Fastball is on the top of that list. To a point where, his thought process, his timing and delivery is structure around the idea of "how do I get this fastball in", his game suffer from the inherit issue with his fastball#1 approach.

His throwing style is more or less like a pitcher, he has this big pull back and a fast whipping motion in delivery. His passes tend to come in hot,very hot. Not only receiver has to often adjust to really secure the ball before they can start making moves, not ideal for YAC. Also the window of success for his kind of throw is very small. Unless the target is wide open and he is allow to step up and drills him, if it is a timing or anticipation throw, his passes usually travel through the window very fast. That really narrows the margin of error when the pass has to be accurate and target is in place to secure the heat; not a very convincing recipe for success. And because he generates the momentum of his throw in a back and fore motion instead of a rotational motion, if he isn't allow to set his balance and his motion is interrupted, he loses a bit control.

Also his passes are very flat with relatively less spin. When a football is flying in the air, the spin gives the flight stability. When a ball is spinning faster, the inertia stabilize the center of mass and gives it a control flight. It might not be as fast but much more stable and come down steeper on entry, handy in beating underneath coverage, especially in deep ball situation. Also the more stable flight gives receivers a better idea of where the ball is going so they can adjust to the ball. As compare to a ball that fly fast and flat, relying more on the velocity to control the flight; it can knuckle a little bit when not throw perfectly or hurried. , because of how flat the passes are, when miss throwing deep or on the throwing on the back foot, it tends to sail. And when release too flat or trying to hit a target moving away, it tends dives short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPx2kL6mxo

This is a game of his playing against Cal. a decent team that is not over powering or under matched so it has a little bit of everything on there.

First play of the, coverage was aggressive and he threw a dart toward coverage, at first you say "maybe this is heads up play and draw a PI?" Or was he really trying to fit that window. Then you see he throw this exact pass again and again in the game. A low, flat fastball that into underneath coverage, then you say hmmm soooo, what's up?

Next play, again, fastball over the middle, this time int. This is not the only time that Herbet's trust in his fastball override his decision making. He believed his dart can pierce the coverage and into an improbably small window that nobody else would willing to risk. That is not a read problem, that is a tendency problem. He might have gotten away with it like in games against Colorado but this time they make him pay. He was appear late on his delivery is #1 he needs to set up and align; #2 is he knows how fast his fastball is and if he lets go too soon, its going to fly right by the window. Even if he reads the play correct, he still can't let go until the time is right, then he caught staring. That's an example of how his fastball thinking effect his overall play.

Then the next few plays they give him some easy dump offs and clean pocket to read and get it out fast. That's when he look best, when things are under control. But in the NFL, you rarely have that kind of luxury to be in control all the time.

1:38 - Great shoelace catch from the receiver. But the throw itself, when you throw as flat a he does, when a receiver is moving away from him and if the ball doesn't catch up to the target quick enough, it going to dive.

1:59 - Standing still in the pocket read and read, doesn't give the pressure a thought. That's the luxury he has this season is that he plays with a pretty clean pocket for the most part and it is not in his process of thought to look out for the pressure from the A gap. His pocket awareness is subpar, matter of fact besides Burrow and Hurts most other QB in this class are subpar in pocket awareness IMO.

Next few is just perfect pocket and target practice, too easy.

3:19 - Rolls out to buy time, sees the opening pulls the ball back and whips it flat deep. When the ball is coming this fast and flat, it zip in and out of the window of success in a flash, if the atrget is a step slow or the ball is thrown a little off, the ball can be yards apart. And when he leans back, it usually sails, that is the same problem Cam Newton always have and it is not easy to change.

3:40 - WR starts out inside, pass the CB and beat him in a foot race on a post. That should be an anticipation throw. That should be a high arching pass toward the endzone just outside the number that is thrown right before the CB turn his hip, instead of a target practice i see i throw play where it is too far and too fast for the WR to read and catch up. The placement was great but from way the ball gets point A to point B isn't great.

3:55 - ball dives on another target moving away from him.

4:03 - he was hurried on this throw, that motion and balance got interrupted; ball miss toward to direction he leans.

4:14 - he was hit but not hurried, stand tall and delivered. As long as his delivery process is not interrupted and remain balance he can do it. Again in NFL, just how often you get that?? and to get that in NFL is not cheap.

4:38 - pocket collapse, feet not set and not in balance, knuckles a 10 yard dump off.

5:40 - an ill advised low fast ball into triple coverage. To him that is a window his fastball can fit, but lets be frank and say that is a bad concept. The ball was thrown so fast and so low, it was a miracle it when pass the underneath coverage without being tipped and way to difficult of a ball for the target to have a chance on that one. Only Herbert looked "good" there big man throwing big rocks.

6:03 - Here it is again, it is reckless to try to squeeze a fastball that low on a slant coming across with underneath coverage has the inside leverage. First one you saw, ok maybe a heads up play to draw a penalty. Second time is like uh, that didn't look that good and 3rd time just kind of makes you think, maybe that's just how he sees the game. His risk assessment is dictated by his trust in his fastball.

6:36 - That's where his money is made, clean pocket and a zippy pass into the pocket of a zone. He knows where the ball was going to go right off the get go, so he wait and watch until that window opens and fires it. If he didn't throw such a hot pass, he will for sure be paying a price telegraphing. Carson Wentz has a problem in telegraphing and was called out by the seahawks before. Teams are so fast to pick things up it would be a surprise he would be picked up on even before the half ends.


7:36 - That pass should be thrown with more touch, its becoming a common theme that Herbert needs to put more finesse in his game. That ball went so fast out of the window of success that the receiver didn't even have a chance to make a play on.


All and all, you see some things he does well when everything is going well and accordingly when the balance and timing is not disrupted. But you also see what you might get if things aren't going as well. So at this point, for him to succeed, it takes a village. The line, the target that can make separation and he is not ask to beat peeps deep in tight coverage. Lets just say, its all there and he performs, how are you going to keep that up when he signs his big contract? In this day and age when QB is making as much as they did and holdup that much of cap space, it is going to be tough to beef up the line and still retain the other parts of the team. Then players walk for bigger contract. Then you build through draft, and when this group of the young player in their rookie contract start playing up, then you can compete again. So logically you would think his window to win a superbowl would be during his rookie contract or his twilight years. Lets just say Herbert isn't taking nobody to the superbowl right now.

Therefore, in the day and age you need a QB there can play very well on the go and throw on the run. So that you can afford to blow the load on protection and still spend on free agent to remain competitive.

[Topcat]

Speaking of prospects, IMO In a bubble Justin Herbert has a lot of eye candies and in certain setting he is going to look very good. He is going to win some hearts during the combine and proday. Justin Herbert needs the perfect pocket, the right play call, the perfect timing to make things happen. As "strong" as his arm is, his yardage this year rank only barely within top 20 just above Jordan Love. Even the other JH, Jalen Hurts who had rushed for 20 TD this year rank within top 10 who attempted 80 less passes and completed 50 less and almost 400 more yards. So what was it? Was it the talent around him or was it the system's fault?

Justin Herbert has one and one only favorite throw - "the Fastball". Not that he is completely incapable of other throws; he has done it from time to time, not greatly but.... he did it. Is that, in the priority chart, his trust in his Fastball is on the top of that list. To a point where, his thought process, his timing and delivery is structure around the idea of "how do I get this fastball in", his game suffer from the inherit issue with his fastball#1 approach.

His throwing style is more or less like a pitcher, he has this big pull back and a fast whipping motion in delivery. His passes tend to come in hot,very hot. Not only receiver has to often adjust to really secure the ball before they can start making moves, not ideal for YAC. Also the window of success for his kind of throw is very small. Unless the target is wide open and he is allow to step up and drills him, if it is a timing or anticipation throw, his passes usually travel through the window very fast. That really narrows the margin of error when the pass has to be accurate and target is in place to secure the heat; not a very convincing recipe for success. And because he generates the momentum of his throw in a back and fore motion instead of a rotational motion, if he isn't allow to set his balance and his motion is interrupted, he loses a bit control.

Also his passes are very flat with relatively less spin. When a football is flying in the air, the spin gives the flight stability. When a ball is spinning faster, the inertia stabilize the center of mass and gives it a control flight. It might not be as fast but much more stable and come down steeper on entry, handy in beating underneath coverage, especially in deep ball situation. Also the more stable flight gives receivers a better idea of where the ball is going so they can adjust to the ball. As compare to a ball that fly fast and flat, relying more on the velocity to control the flight; it can knuckle a little bit when not throw perfectly or hurried. , because of how flat the passes are, when miss throwing deep or on the throwing on the back foot, it tends to sail. And when release too flat or trying to hit a target moving away, it tends dives short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPx2kL6mxo

This is a game of his playing against Cal. a decent team that is not over powering or under matched so it has a little bit of everything on there.

First play of the, coverage was aggressive and he threw a dart toward coverage, at first you say "maybe this is heads up play and draw a PI?" Or was he really trying to fit that window. Then you see he throw this exact pass again and again in the game. A low, flat fastball that into underneath coverage, then you say hmmm soooo, what's up?

Next play, again, fastball over the middle, this time int. This is not the only time that Herbet's trust in his fastball override his decision making. He believed his dart can pierce the coverage and into an improbably small window that nobody else would willing to risk. That is not a read problem, that is a tendency problem. He might have gotten away with it like in games against Colorado but this time they make him pay. He was appear late on his delivery is #1 he needs to set up and align; #2 is he knows how fast his fastball is and if he lets go too soon, its going to fly right by the window. Even if he reads the play correct, he still can't let go until the time is right, then he caught staring. That's an example of how his fastball thinking effect his overall play.

Then the next few plays they give him some easy dump offs and clean pocket to read and get it out fast. That's when he look best, when things are under control. But in the NFL, you rarely have that kind of luxury to be in control all the time.

1:38 - Great shoelace catch from the receiver. But the throw itself, when you throw as flat a he does, when a receiver is moving away from him and if the ball doesn't catch up to the target quick enough, it going to dive.

1:59 - Standing still in the pocket read and read, doesn't give the pressure a thought. That's the luxury he has this season is that he plays with a pretty clean pocket for the most part and it is not in his process of thought to look out for the pressure from the A gap. His pocket awareness is subpar, matter of fact besides Burrow and Hurts most other QB in this class are subpar in pocket awareness IMO.

Next few is just perfect pocket and target practice, too easy.

3:19 - Rolls out to buy time, sees the opening pulls the ball back and whips it flat deep. When the ball is coming this fast and flat, it zip in and out of the window of success in a flash, if the atrget is a step slow or the ball is thrown a little off, the ball can be yards apart. And when he leans back, it usually sails, that is the same problem Cam Newton always have and it is not easy to change.

3:40 - WR starts out inside, pass the CB and beat him in a foot race on a post. That should be an anticipation throw. That should be a high arching pass toward the endzone just outside the number that is thrown right before the CB turn his hip, instead of a target practice i see i throw play where it is too far and too fast for the WR to read and catch up. The placement was great but from way the ball gets point A to point B isn't great.

3:55 - ball dives on another target moving away from him.

4:03 - he was hurried on this throw, that motion and balance got interrupted; ball miss toward to direction he leans.

4:14 - he was hit but not hurried, stand tall and delivered. As long as his delivery process is not interrupted and remain balance he can do it. Again in NFL, just how often you get that?? and to get that in NFL is not cheap.

4:38 - pocket collapse, feet not set and not in balance, knuckles a 10 yard dump off.

5:40 - an ill advised low fast ball into triple coverage. To him that is a window his fastball can fit, but lets be frank and say that is a bad concept. The ball was thrown so fast and so low, it was a miracle it when pass the underneath coverage without being tipped and way to difficult of a ball for the target to have a chance on that one. Only Herbert looked "good" there big man throwing big rocks.

6:03 - Here it is again, it is reckless to try to squeeze a fastball that low on a slant coming across with underneath coverage has the inside leverage. First one you saw, ok maybe a heads up play to draw a penalty. Second time is like uh, that didn't look that good and 3rd time just kind of makes you think, maybe that's just how he sees the game. His risk assessment is dictated by his trust in his fastball.

6:36 - That's where his money is made, clean pocket and a zippy pass into the pocket of a zone. He knows where the ball was going to go right off the get go, so he wait and watch until that window opens and fires it. If he didn't throw such a hot pass, he will for sure be paying a price telegraphing. Carson Wentz has a problem in telegraphing and was called out by the seahawks before. Teams are so fast to pick things up it would be a surprise he would be picked up on even before the half ends.


7:36 - That pass should be thrown with more touch, its becoming a common theme that Herbert needs to put more finesse in his game. That ball went so fast out of the window of success that the receiver didn't even have a chance to make a play on.


All and all, you see some things he does well when everything is going well and accordingly when the balance and timing is not disrupted. But you also see what you might get if things aren't going as well. So at this point, for him to succeed, it takes a village. The line, the target that can make separation and he is not ask to beat peeps deep in tight coverage. Lets just say, its all there and he performs, how are you going to keep that up when he signs his big contract? In this day and age when QB is making as much as they did and holdup that much of cap space, it is going to be tough to beef up the line and still retain the other parts of the team. Then players walk for bigger contract. Then you build through draft, and when this group of the young player in their rookie contract start playing up, then you can compete again. So logically you would think his window to win a superbowl would be during his rookie contract or his twilight years. Lets just say Herbert isn't taking nobody to the superbowl right now.

Therefore, in the day and age you need a QB there can play very well on the go and throw on the run. So that you can afford to blow the load on protection and still spend on free agent to remain competitive.

Great analysis, Cmon. In addition to your points, I will also add that Herbert tries frequently to force that hard rock into tight windows, as u mention, but does so repeatedly--usually for incompletions, but sometimes his accuracy is off on a lot of those throws, and they bounce off helmets, shoulder pads, etc. This translates to a lot of picks by saavy NFL safeties and CB's...so Herbert is a kind of boom or bust QB...boom, when he makes a beautiful throw for a TD or a long gainer, but bust when he forces the rock into coverage for incompletes, bouncies and picks...the question is, can he learn touch? Can he learn not to force the rock into certain tight windows? Or will his old habits come creeping back time and again to haunt him? Too much of a question mark for me...

[blueman]

This is what I see with him too, needs a pocket. In today’s NFL that doesn’t always happen yet the QB still needs to what? Not make a negative play? At minimum. And is he someone who can do this? Rivers could for most of his career, but I just dunno about Herbie.

[Fleet]

Speaking of prospects, IMO In a bubble Justin Herbert has a lot of eye candies and in certain setting he is going to look very good. He is going to win some hearts during the combine and proday. Justin Herbert needs the perfect pocket, the right play call, the perfect timing to make things happen. As "strong" as his arm is, his yardage this year rank only barely within top 20 just above Jordan Love. Even the other JH, Jalen Hurts who had rushed for 20 TD this year rank within top 10 who attempted 80 less passes and completed 50 less and almost 400 more yards. So what was it? Was it the talent around him or was it the system's fault?

Justin Herbert has one and one only favorite throw - "the Fastball". Not that he is completely incapable of other throws; he has done it from time to time, not greatly but.... he did it. Is that, in the priority chart, his trust in his Fastball is on the top of that list. To a point where, his thought process, his timing and delivery is structure around the idea of "how do I get this fastball in", his game suffer from the inherit issue with his fastball#1 approach.

His throwing style is more or less like a pitcher, he has this big pull back and a fast whipping motion in delivery. His passes tend to come in hot,very hot. Not only receiver has to often adjust to really secure the ball before they can start making moves, not ideal for YAC. Also the window of success for his kind of throw is very small. Unless the target is wide open and he is allow to step up and drills him, if it is a timing or anticipation throw, his passes usually travel through the window very fast. That really narrows the margin of error when the pass has to be accurate and target is in place to secure the heat; not a very convincing recipe for success. And because he generates the momentum of his throw in a back and fore motion instead of a rotational motion, if he isn't allow to set his balance and his motion is interrupted, he loses a bit control.

Also his passes are very flat with relatively less spin. When a football is flying in the air, the spin gives the flight stability. When a ball is spinning faster, the inertia stabilize the center of mass and gives it a control flight. It might not be as fast but much more stable and come down steeper on entry, handy in beating underneath coverage, especially in deep ball situation. Also the more stable flight gives receivers a better idea of where the ball is going so they can adjust to the ball. As compare to a ball that fly fast and flat, relying more on the velocity to control the flight; it can knuckle a little bit when not throw perfectly or hurried. , because of how flat the passes are, when miss throwing deep or on the throwing on the back foot, it tends to sail. And when release too flat or trying to hit a target moving away, it tends dives short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPx2kL6mxo

This is a game of his playing against Cal. a decent team that is not over powering or under matched so it has a little bit of everything on there.

First play of the, coverage was aggressive and he threw a dart toward coverage, at first you say "maybe this is heads up play and draw a PI?" Or was he really trying to fit that window. Then you see he throw this exact pass again and again in the game. A low, flat fastball that into underneath coverage, then you say hmmm soooo, what's up?

Next play, again, fastball over the middle, this time int. This is not the only time that Herbet's trust in his fastball override his decision making. He believed his dart can pierce the coverage and into an improbably small window that nobody else would willing to risk. That is not a read problem, that is a tendency problem. He might have gotten away with it like in games against Colorado but this time they make him pay. He was appear late on his delivery is #1 he needs to set up and align; #2 is he knows how fast his fastball is and if he lets go too soon, its going to fly right by the window. Even if he reads the play correct, he still can't let go until the time is right, then he caught staring. That's an example of how his fastball thinking effect his overall play.

Then the next few plays they give him some easy dump offs and clean pocket to read and get it out fast. That's when he look best, when things are under control. But in the NFL, you rarely have that kind of luxury to be in control all the time.

1:38 - Great shoelace catch from the receiver. But the throw itself, when you throw as flat a he does, when a receiver is moving away from him and if the ball doesn't catch up to the target quick enough, it going to dive.

1:59 - Standing still in the pocket read and read, doesn't give the pressure a thought. That's the luxury he has this season is that he plays with a pretty clean pocket for the most part and it is not in his process of thought to look out for the pressure from the A gap. His pocket awareness is subpar, matter of fact besides Burrow and Hurts most other QB in this class are subpar in pocket awareness IMO.

Next few is just perfect pocket and target practice, too easy.

3:19 - Rolls out to buy time, sees the opening pulls the ball back and whips it flat deep. When the ball is coming this fast and flat, it zip in and out of the window of success in a flash, if the atrget is a step slow or the ball is thrown a little off, the ball can be yards apart. And when he leans back, it usually sails, that is the same problem Cam Newton always have and it is not easy to change.

3:40 - WR starts out inside, pass the CB and beat him in a foot race on a post. That should be an anticipation throw. That should be a high arching pass toward the endzone just outside the number that is thrown right before the CB turn his hip, instead of a target practice i see i throw play where it is too far and too fast for the WR to read and catch up. The placement was great but from way the ball gets point A to point B isn't great.

3:55 - ball dives on another target moving away from him.

4:03 - he was hurried on this throw, that motion and balance got interrupted; ball miss toward to direction he leans.

4:14 - he was hit but not hurried, stand tall and delivered. As long as his delivery process is not interrupted and remain balance he can do it. Again in NFL, just how often you get that?? and to get that in NFL is not cheap.

4:38 - pocket collapse, feet not set and not in balance, knuckles a 10 yard dump off.

5:40 - an ill advised low fast ball into triple coverage. To him that is a window his fastball can fit, but lets be frank and say that is a bad concept. The ball was thrown so fast and so low, it was a miracle it when pass the underneath coverage without being tipped and way to difficult of a ball for the target to have a chance on that one. Only Herbert looked "good" there big man throwing big rocks.

6:03 - Here it is again, it is reckless to try to squeeze a fastball that low on a slant coming across with underneath coverage has the inside leverage. First one you saw, ok maybe a heads up play to draw a penalty. Second time is like uh, that didn't look that good and 3rd time just kind of makes you think, maybe that's just how he sees the game. His risk assessment is dictated by his trust in his fastball.

6:36 - That's where his money is made, clean pocket and a zippy pass into the pocket of a zone. He knows where the ball was going to go right off the get go, so he wait and watch until that window opens and fires it. If he didn't throw such a hot pass, he will for sure be paying a price telegraphing. Carson Wentz has a problem in telegraphing and was called out by the seahawks before. Teams are so fast to pick things up it would be a surprise he would be picked up on even before the half ends.


7:36 - That pass should be thrown with more touch, its becoming a common theme that Herbert needs to put more finesse in his game. That ball went so fast out of the window of success that the receiver didn't even have a chance to make a play on.


All and all, you see some things he does well when everything is going well and accordingly when the balance and timing is not disrupted. But you also see what you might get if things aren't going as well. So at this point, for him to succeed, it takes a village. The line, the target that can make separation and he is not ask to beat peeps deep in tight coverage. Lets just say, its all there and he performs, how are you going to keep that up when he signs his big contract? In this day and age when QB is making as much as they did and holdup that much of cap space, it is going to be tough to beef up the line and still retain the other parts of the team. Then players walk for bigger contract. Then you build through draft, and when this group of the young player in their rookie contract start playing up, then you can compete again. So logically you would think his window to win a superbowl would be during his rookie contract or his twilight years. Lets just say Herbert isn't taking nobody to the superbowl right now.

Therefore, in the day and age you need a QB there can play very well on the go and throw on the run. So that you can afford to blow the load on protection and still spend on free agent to remain competitive.

Wow. That is an epic first post. Welcome to the Blues. I certainly appreciate the time you put into that. Hope to see a lot more of this type of stuff.

[wu-dai clan]

Herbert will now proceed to blow up the Combine
and go number one overall.

Dave Krieg has bigger hands than Burrow.

opcorn:

[Boltjolt]

Herbert will now proceed to blow up the Combine
and go number one overall.

Dave Krieg has bigger hands than Burrow.

opcorn:

He didn't have the smallest hands. Some QB named Davidson had 8.25" hands and Fromm had 8 7/8".
Biggest hands were Tua the China doll and Herbert who has problems with accuracy over 10 yards.

If I'm Cinci, i'm trading down with us to get Love because he has a gun and big hands lol.

I'll take Burrow.

[chargeroo]

I appreciate the post by our newest member C'monchargers. I told people several weeks ago that Herbert is too inaccurate and I'm a Ducks fan. He had receivers this season that dropped more passes than they caught and I think it was because of how hard he throws. Do any of you remember Ed Luther? He had the big arm but he never learned to put some air under it. I'm guessing Herbert is going to be like that. I hope I'm wrong and he will learn because he's a really fine young man but I hope the Bolts don't use their first pick on him.

Thinking about the offense that our HC wants to run, I won't be shocked if we take Hurts. I won't be happy but he does seem to be the kind of QB that AL covets.
As for me, I'm still wishing they'd get Teddy as a FA and use that first pick for the best OT they can get in the draft.