Over Under on Melvin Ingram Sacks

[PR#1]

So going over the website again and they do have more advanced defensive stats but only for the last two years. The main takeaway that I got from looking at those other players that you mentioned is that there seems to be a positive correlation between blitzing and pressure. Za'Darius Smith's seems to be the exception since his pressure numbers also increased in 2019 despite blitzing 13 less times. But he still blitzed 32 times more than Melvin in 2019.

I think Melvin acquitted himself quite well for the defensive scheme that he's in. And that's without taking into account other factors.


Melvin Ingram



Dante Fowler (Jags and then became a Ram in 2018). Wade obviously blitzed more.
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Za'Darius Smith:
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Shaq Barrett:
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TJ Watt:
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Any stats on Bosa ?

[Xenos]

Any stats on Bosa ?

Yes. Can't copy and paste right now but Joey is elite whose main weakness is just staying healthy. He basically gets a high amount of pressure without blitzing at all. I believe it was 50 something in 2019.

[like54ninjas]

Any stats on Bosa ?

I always screw up the charts but I included the link here......

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaJo00.htm

Defense & Fumbles

21	SDG	DE	99	12	11											10.5	41	29	12	17	21		6
22	LAC	DE/LDE	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	4	0	1	0	0	12.5	70	54	16	11	21		13
23	LAC	DE/LDE	99	7	6						0	0	1	0	0	5.5	23	18	5	7	9		4
24	LAC	DE	97	16	16						1	0	0	0	0	11.5	67	47	20	18	31		11
			51	49	0	0	0	0	1	5	0	2	0	0	40.0	201	148	53	53	82		34

Snap Counts

21	SDG	DE	99	12	11	0	0%	563	53%	12	3%
22	LAC	DE/LDE	99	16	16	0	0%	851	81%	2	1%
23	LAC	DE/LDE	99	7	6	0	0%	314	30%	0	0%
24	LAC	DE	97	16	16	0	0%	836	86%	12	3%
					0		2564		26

All-Pro Teams

1st Tm		DE	Sporting News
2nd Tm		DE	Pro Football Focus

Advanced Defense & Fumbles

23	LAC	DE/LDE	99	7	6	0	0	0		0			0			0	0	0	8	3	5.5	17	23	3	11.5%
24	LAC	DE	97	16	16	0	1	1	100.0%	13	13.0	13.0	0	118.7	-3.0	-3	16	0	25	16	11.5	54	67	9	11.8%

[Xenos]

Thanks Ninja!

So yes, Joey has a pressure total of 54 (25 hurries, 16 QB knockdown, and 11.5 sacks). All without blitzing the QB. He's the perfect edge rusher in a 4-3 scheme.

Some stats on other elite pass rushers in the NFL.

This is Nick Bosa's. The defensive scheme is basically the same as Bradley's. Obviously, their DTs were better as well with Buckner being the prime example.
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Khalil Mack: he was in Fangio's 3-4 scheme in 2018, and then Chuck Pagano's in 2019
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Chandler Jones:
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Von Miller:
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[Boltjolt]

Thanks Ninja!

So yes, Joey has a pressure total of 54 (25 hurries, 16 QB knockdown, and 11.5 sacks). All without blitzing the QB. He's the perfect edge rusher in a 4-3 scheme.

Some stats on other elite pass rushers in the NFL.

This is Nick Bosa's. The defensive scheme is basically the same as Bradley's. Obviously, their DTs were better as well with Buckner being the prime example.
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Khalil Mack: he was in Fangio's 3-4 scheme in 2018, and then Chuck Pagano's in 2019
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Chandler Jones:
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Von Miller:
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Again, what do you/they mean without "Blitzing" the QB? DEs dont blitz. They are Edge rushers and do it (rushing the QB) on almost every pass play unless their assignment is contain while an actual blitz is taking place by LBs so the QB dont get the corner to go around them.

I find that stat by PFR...or where ever you got it from to be bizarre for a DE.

[like54ninjas]

Again, what do you/they mean without "Blitzing" the QB? DEs dont blitz. They are Edge rushers and do it (rushing the QB) on almost every pass play unless their assignment is contain while an actual blitz is taking place by LBs so the QB dont get the corner to go around them.

I find that stat by PFR...or where ever you got it from to be bizarre for a DE.

Possibly has something to do with most of the blitz #’s coming mostly from 34 OLBs?

[Xenos]

Again, what do you/they mean without "Blitzing" the QB? DEs dont blitz. They are Edge rushers and do it (rushing the QB) on almost every pass play unless their assignment is contain while an actual blitz is taking place by LBs so the QB dont get the corner to go around them.

I find that stat by PFR...or where ever you got it from to be bizarre for a DE.

It's schematic right? An OLB in a 3-4 is an edge rusher. The only difference between them and a 43 DE is that they can have more favorable matchups (ie. taking on a TE versus an OT) or that it's harder to be double teamed. It's also harder for a QB to identify where the pass rush is coming from.

[Xenos]

In other words, Ingram now has a new nickname: Mediocre Mel...

Cat, this joke is lazier than Gaither and Butler. Combined

[Topcat]

Cat, this joke is lazier than Gaither and Butler. Combined

Okay, fair enough. I definitely think Ingram has been a solid player for many years, but he just seems to disappear for long stretches in a lot of games. So, he's a cut well above Gaither, slightly above Butler, post-second contract. Maybe change it to "Intermittent Ingram" ???

[Xenos]

Okay, fair enough. I definitely think Ingram has been a solid player for many years, but he just seems to disappear for long stretches in a lot of games. So, he's a cut well above Gaither, slightly above Butler, post-second contract. Maybe change it to "Intermittent Ingram" ???

I'll give you that nickname.

Edit: yeah he's not an elite guy. Though I think he would be better in a scheme like the one used by Belichick or even Bowles with the Bucs.

[Topcat]

I'll give you that nickname.

Edit: yeah he's not an elite guy. Though I think he would be better in a scheme like the one used by Belichick or even Bowles with the Bucs.

Ingram has never been elite. In 2015 and 2017, his two best years, he totaled 10.5 sacks each year...very good, but not elite. Last two years, 7 sacks a year. Okay, but not so great when you're shelling out $64 mil like the Bolts are on his current deal. Maybe his numbers improve with Joseph in there, along with a hopefully improved Tillery...

[SuperCharged]

Ingram has never been elite. In 2015 and 2017, his two best years, he totaled 10.5 sacks each year...very good, but not elite. Last two years, 7 sacks a year. Okay, but not so great when you're shelling out $64 mil like the Bolts are on his current deal. Maybe his numbers improve with Joseph in there, along with a hopefully improved Tillery...

I tried it doesn't work. It's all good though. I'm glad someone is fighting for him. Hopefully he fights for that contract.