Future With Lynn?

[Guest]

Well.
Lynn inherited a team that went 4-12 & 5-11 the previous two years.
That team was getting relocated to a place with zero homefield.
He promptly went 9-7 and 12-4 in a new city that didn't want that team there.
Last year was a down year mostly because the QB was a turnover machine down the stretch of key games, imo.
One down year.
Then he start this year with a new QBs at starter and no preseason to evaluate performances.
And then he loses a bunch of key starters.
Yet his team went toe to toe with the Superbowl champs.

And after all that, many fans want to move on.

I just think he deserves more time under all these circumstances. And IMO, he deserves the opportunity to coach his #6 pick franchise QB for at least 2 years before any decison is made.

McCoy inherited a team that went 7-9 the year before, but was gutted after the season of most of the veteran talent that got the team to 7 wins. The 2013 team was far less talented than any team that Lynn has had. Telesco also had bad drafts early on in that only one starter has had sustained success with the team (Allen--and even he missed 21 games during the McCoy era as head coach), which when combined with the lack of talent made the team not good. In 2015-2017, Telesco drafted Gordon, Perryman, Bosa, Henry, M. Williams, Lamp, Feeney, Jenkins, Tevi and Rochell, improving the team's talent level from what it had been under McCoy in his first two seasons.

Lynn has had comparable success to McCoy. Each coach had two winning seasons and one playoff appearance with one win, followed by a losing season. Lynn is headed for his second losing season and McCoy did have a second losing season. If Lynn's trend this year continues, his accomplishments will be indistinguishable in any meaningful way from the ones that got McCoy fired.

Last year, the OL was poor, which caused most of the team's problems. Rivers is doing well for the Colts. Under McCoy, the OL was poor also. McCoy's teams had numerous key injuries as well. Injuries have been a team issue for a long time and are not an excuse for Lynn's poor performance as a head coach.

He deserves the same consideration that McCoy received if he produces the same results unless we are going to give him preferential treatment.

[Silversurfer]

Lynn must know his job is on the line. He just committed to Justin as our starter going forward until end of the season, said he doesnt have to look over his shoulder.

[Critty]

He deserves the same consideration that McCoy received if he produces the same results unless we are going to give him preferential treatment.

Be careful what you wish for when asking to fire Lynn.

Spanos HC hiring and results pattern is that team did better under HCs they hired who were Leader/Teacher types.
Only Superbowl appearance and best regular season record happened under HCs that were that style.
Team struggled more and underachieved more under Xs & Os coaches that were OC types.
The pattern also is they will likely go back to an Xs & Os coordinator if they move on from Lynn.
And that is most likely to underachieve if the pattern continues.

Lynn is (27-25) 2 games over .500
9-7
12-4
5-11
1-3

McCoy went 4 full season 27-37 10 games under .500
9-7
9-7
4-12
5-11

The only way Lynn equals McCoy record is he has to be 1-15 this season to end up 27-37. And certainly should be fired.

If Lynn goes 7-9 this year his record would be 33-31 after 4 season.

There is no preferential treatment in keeping the HC that record was 33-31(3 years of Rivers and 1 year w/rookie)
And fire the HC that was 27-37 (4 years of Rivers prime).

Let the entire resumes plus details stand for itself.
You are what you record says you are.
Until the numbers change.
McCoy overall record = Loser
Lynn overall record = Winner.

12 games left this season for Lynn to show what kind of HC he is.

Crusher, you can simplify it and say same result 2 winning seasons and 2 losing season.
But if you are going to do that, why detail out so much justification and excuses throughout this thread.
Just shorten your posts to your simple bottom line. If Lynn does Not win 9 games this season, he should be fired just like McCoy.
And we can just ignore one had a rookie QB in year 4 and the other had a franchise great QB in year 4. And we can ignore the total record too.

[powderblueboy]

McCoy inherited team that had finished 2nd in division previous seasons of 8-8, 7-9
And he inherited Phlip Rivers in middle of his prime at age 32.
And then improved team by 2 games to 9-7.
Then went 9-7, 4-12, 5-11.
So a small improvement and then down to last place for consecutive seasons.
McCoy was Xs & Os only.
No leadership or team building skills.

Lynn inherited from McCoy team that finished last in AFC West 4-12, 5-11.
And Rivers age 36 tail end of his prime.
And the team moved to LA.
Inproved the team by 4 games to 9-7
And then 3 more games the next year 12-4 (tied for best record in conference)
Down year 5-11.
And now with a new QB 1-3.....let see what the final record is.

Would I be shocked if they went 3-1 over next 4 and were 4-4 at halfway point. Not at all. But they have to make one more play and one less error per game to get the wins.
Tough job for HC Lynn with rookie QB and rookie RB. And back ups and udfa all over the field.
But the man won't make excuses.
Are other HCs expected to make post season with a rookie QB. Seem like Lynn is being held to a higher standard with a rookie QB than anyone I can remember.
Next 4.
Saints, Jets, Dolphins, Jaguars.

Norv, when he got the axe,
said that the Chargers were so depleted in talent that it would take years before they got back to the playoffs (he might have said generations).
I've always thought of this as NOrv's curse - which is bearing true in a weird sclerotic way.

Who am i going to believe? McCoy's immediate antecedent, or someone revisiting history 8 years later from a distance.

[AFboltfan]

There is a difference between Lynn and McCoy/Norv, and I'm not talking skin color. Norv and McCoy were touted as offensive minded coaches and Norv was a supposed "genius"... Lynn was a RB coach and is not known for creating plays or playcalling. Lynn is also not a defensive minded coach, he is not a defensive guru. Lynn NEEDS talented coordinators to make up for his inexperience on the field. We currently do not have that... And injuries don't help the situation.

Personally I want Urban Meyer... But its not realistic to think Lynn is going anywhere anytime soon. If anything Steichen needs to be looking over his shoulder IMHO... Bradley too...

[powderblueboy]

There is a difference between Lynn and McCoy/Norv, and I'm not talking skin color. Norv and McCoy were touted as offensive minded coaches and Norv was a supposed "genius"... Lynn was a RB coach and is not known for creating plays or playcalling. Lynn is also not a defensive minded coach, he is not a defensive guru. Lynn NEEDS talented coordinators to make up for his inexperience on the field. We currently do not have that... And injuries don't help the situation.

Personally I want Urban Meyer... But its not realistic to think Lynn is going anywhere anytime soon. If anything Steichen needs to be looking over his shoulder IMHO... Bradley too...

Again, i'm not certain what Lynn offers, and i'm not interested in this 'leader of men' argument. Lynn knows all the platitudes, and if this were a movie i'd assign him the role, but in preparing your team against the opposing team, i don't think he's there. The very least thing he should offer is a team that loses because of talent deficits, but doesn't make stupid mistakes repeatedly. This team is no better disciplined then most.

So, once again, what does he offer? One always uses the 4 -5 year plan for lousy head coaches: give them...and they'll eventually steer the ship into the land of fruit & honey.

[NoMoreChillies]

Be careful what you wish for when asking to fire Lynn.

Spanos HC hiring and results pattern is that team did better under HCs they hired who were Leader/Teacher types.
Only Superbowl appearance and best regular season record happened under HCs that were that style.
Team struggled more and underachieved more under Xs & Os coaches that were OC types.
The pattern also is they will likely go back to an Xs & Os coordinator if they move on from Lynn.
And that is most likely to underachieve if the pattern continues.

Lynn is (27-25) 2 games over .500
9-7
12-4
5-11
1-3

McCoy went 4 full season 27-37 10 games under .500
9-7
9-7
4-12
5-11

The only way Lynn equals McCoy record is he has to be 1-15 this season to end up 27-37. And certainly should be fired.

If Lynn goes 7-9 this year his record would be 33-31 after 4 season.

There is no preferential treatment in keeping the HC that record was 33-31(3 years of Rivers and 1 year w/rookie)
And fire the HC that was 27-37 (4 years of Rivers prime).

Let the entire resumes plus details stand for itself.
You are what you record says you are.
Until the numbers change.
McCoy overall record = Loser
Lynn overall record = Winner.

12 games left this season for Lynn to show what kind of HC he is.

Crusher, you can simplify it and say same result 2 winning seasons and 2 losing season.
But if you are going to do that, why detail out so much justification and excuses throughout this thread.
Just shorten your posts to your simple bottom line. If Lynn does Not win 9 games this season, he should be fired just like McCoy.
And we can just ignore one had a rookie QB in year 4 and the other had a franchise great QB in year 4. And we can ignore the total record too.

agree here

gotta look at the win/loss record, not just winning seasons. Then add in who was dominating our division and Lynn is a better coach imo

[Critty]

Norv, when he got the axe,
said that the Chargers were so depleted in talent that it would take years before they got back to the playoffs (he might have said generations).
I've always thought of this as NOrv's curse - which is bearing true in a weird sclerotic way.

Who am i going to believe? McCoy's immediate antecedent, or someone revisiting history 8 years later from a distance.

Norv comments were sour grapes. He put all the blame on GM and player talent level. And that is just sad and shows why Norv lacked leadership skills. But we knew that when he took over the 14-2 team, started 3-5 and LT had to inspire and Lead the Team to postseason because nobody else in the building was showing any leadership.

After Norv, the Team won 18 games in 2 seasons and a playoff game right after, so either McCoy was a genius to completely over achieve with a horrible roster or the talent was not nearly as horrible as Norv scapegoated it to be.

How many players on that final Norv team had made or would make a pro bowl at least once in their career. I count 12 of them. So he had 12 players capable of making a pro bowl at some point in there career. And he had Rivers/Gates in their prime.

I guess when Norv inherited the most talented team in football with LT in his prime coming off 14-2 season, then every year after that the roster was going to suck if you asked Norv.
:smh:

[PR#1]

Well.
Lynn inherited a team that went 4-12 & 5-11 the previous two years.
That team was getting relocated to a place with zero homefield.
He promptly went 9-7 and 12-4 in a new city that didn't want that team there.
Last year was a down year mostly because the QB was a turnover machine down the stretch of key games, imo.
One down year.

Thats a good point. In 2019 we should have stuck with the qb that led us to a 12 -4 record in 2018 and beating a Mahommes led chiefs team on the road in arrowhead.

Good point as always Critty!!

[gzubeck]

Norv comments were sour grapes. He put all the blame on GM and player talent level. And that is just sad and shows why Norv lacked leadership skills. But we knew that when he took over the 14-2 team, started 3-5 and LT had to inspire and Lead the Team to postseason because nobody else in the building was showing any leadership.

After Norv, the Team won 18 games in 2 seasons and a playoff game right after, so either McCoy was a genius to completely over achieve with a horrible roster or the talent was not nearly as horrible as Norv scapegoated it to be.

How many players on that final Norv team had made or would make a pro bowl at least once in their career. I count 12 of them. So he had 12 players capable of making a pro bowl at some point in there career. And he had Rivers/Gates in their prime.

I guess when Norv inherited the most talented team in football with LT in his prime coming off 14-2 season, then every year after that the roster was going to suck if you asked Norv.
:smh:

Bradley is the defensive version of Norv. Never has enough talent to get the job done. Break downs in our secondary in final drives of opposing teams that lead to losses. Bradley is an open book which everyone knows the ending. No surprises here!

[Biggestfan]

Winning is really the only thing that matters at this point. This is a what have you done for me lately league. Lynn slightly improved the team he took over and wound up 9-7..so an improvement there. The team that went 12-4 was seemingly more improved. A little luck played in our favor that year but all teams benefit from the luck occasionally. Last year was a debacle because of the oline and PR slinging it (not much of a run game). Not sure who made the call to hang on to Gordon a few years too long rather than part ways when he had some value to unload. Unfortunately, every year the Chargers are plagued with injuries, lackadaisical play, never really playing a complete game, silly mistakes, and penalties. Oh and poor tackling which should fall on the defensive coordinator and his assistants. But the HC has to ensure quality control and this isn't happening. Was this and is this a well coached team under Lynn? I have my doubts.

[Critty]

Thats a good point. In 2019 we should have stuck with the qb that led us to a 12 -4 record in 2018 and beating a Mahommes led chiefs team on the road in arrowhead.

Good point as always Critty!!

Ideally we would have Iron Man Rivers starting and Herbert learning.

At first it looked ok to move on because Rivers was nearing the end of his career and that money was used on some trench players. Bulaga, Joseph.

Hindsight being 20/20....might as well brought back Philip for one last year and traded Melvin Ingram.
But then you would probably only get one trenches between Bulaga & Joseph. So......

Those Bombs vs Bucs by JH10,.....Rivers might not have hit because his arm strength is about 10-15yd less than Herbert bombs.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to Lynn/Herbert all year and into the future. I am optimistic that it could turn out very well.