New 2021 Head Coach - Who Will It Be? - Discussion

[beachcomber]

Caldwell might be boring but he has won in the NFL before. Mentored many QBs too

so my question is: do we want a winner, or to win it all ??

[Bolt4Knob]

so my question is: do we want a winner, or to win it all ??

The second part but to get to the big dance you have to make the playoffs. And maybe its more the Spanii than Lynn or McCoy getting in the way. But, Caldwell did take the Colts to the Super Bowl.

[beachcomber]

Even more impressed
I don’t know think anyone in the media knows the real reason by he screwed the Colts, but part of the motivation was to learn more under BB
telling you, this guy is going tk get a shot somewhere. Everywhere he has interviewed since Broncos, they’ve had a “franchise qb” which is the requisite
hes going to lead a top 5 NFL offense as HC one day

and Bieniemy, calling it now, KC poison pill
Reid is two steps ahead of it
EB will bust and end up an OC again

McDaniels once upon a time top offense is losing a lotta wind outta its sail without Brady, and....

agree.... don't think Bieniemy's gonna get a HC position, and so.... hope we swoop in on Kafka, and w/the quickness (for OC w/Brady)

[beachcomber]

But there are 52 other players on the roster
there is picking the right assistant coaches
there is developing practice schedules

Thats my concern and after Lynn and McCoy - I don't want a coach "learning on the job" - I want a coach who has a plan and philosophy from Day 1
HIre a good OC and QB coach to mentor, teach, babysit Herbert
The problem this year is not the development of Justin Herbert

I've def got a year of training on the job available to a guy that eye have no idea just how high his ceiling is.

and developing Herbert is the key for me.... why build on unknowns/continued uncertainties, when pretty much the key variable is a known quantity.

the HC/QB relationship is apparently one of, if not the defining relationship in an organization's success.

eye know Herbert is a moonboy w/the sky the limit, and so and in turn, yes.... I want an HC that will max out and go over the top re: developing my SB QB.

what I don't want is to hire an experienced retread or a defensive minded guy that will do his best to see that Herbert is well developed.

unfortunately for you and hopefully fortunately for us, the guy who has thee very best track record of late in developing avg talent into well above avg talent is an OC, so we have to hire him as an HC if we wish him to be involved w/the development of JH10.

it's just one variable, but its a very influential element, and when it's laid out as such, it's usually best to take care of the known elements, and then to let the unknown elements fall into place.

some of you might want to get a reasonable and solid choice for HC (just as risky as getting a first time hire for HC), and to let him fish out his OC of choice.

personally would rather be serving wunderkid to my fans, and w/someone eye know has got it done, rather than rely on some good ol' boy HC and what he deems as a qualified OC.

Joe Brady pls.

[Heatmiser]

Telesco is still a respected and young GM. He can always resign if the coach he picks is overruled and as some here say, John Spanos would overrule him just to save money and pick a loser HC. Better for Telesco to leave and maintain his reputation and get another job than get fired in 2 years because the team fails. Again. That is what I intended.

TG

[beachcomber]

I'm not wild about any of them. Brady seems interesting: his head coaches have set him up to wildly succeed. Can he do the same for his assistant coaches?

not sure on what or how you base your opinion on the such, as have read or heard nothing of the sort, and in fact am under the impression that the opposite is the case.... that Brady was extremely unheralded, and his contributions came outta nowhere/the corner office, and without any kind of HC or like escort, fast tracking him for success ?? just nothing of that sort @all....

have posted this article twice, and have found it very informing.... How the LSU Tigers' offense completely changed thanks to Joe Brady (espn.com)

[beachcomber]

Most enjoyable, Beach. I posted that list verbatim from CBSSports, friend. If Joe Brady was on the CBS list, I would have shared that.

but wasn't it convenient/the perfect storm that you found a list w/your guy @the top, and w/no mention of ol' Joe B.

ps. cheers to you and as feelin' a little salty these days/this week....

[beachcomber]

exactly -- the development of Herbert by Lynn, steichen and Pep is NOT the problem with this team

still sorta unclear as to why Herbert's success lands on Stitch's plate ??

after that Cincy game, what makes one think that Lynn and/or Stitch had much to do w/Herbert's showing out ??

Herbert has obviously taken care of his own biz, and almost assuredly in spite of AL, and most likely despite Stitch, and perhaps Pep has been a positive influence, albeit highly doubt Herbert is gonna flinch based on who his OC is next go 'round.

we need to hire the best HC period and let the other stuff take care of itself.

ps. and true, the development of Herbert is not the problem..... it's the opportunity !!

[Heatmiser]

Why cooped up? Are you in CA? I knew its the order just wondering. Not trying to b nosey.


When im working of course im out more but im not working right now so ive been mostly inside.
I made a quick trip to No Cal last week and am heading down to SD tomorrow til Sunday. Its a chance to get out and believe me...my Wife is a germaphobe! So this isnt going to be , uh.....pleasant. She is coming with me to SD(didnt to No Cal) as we are going to see her family side.

Cant wait to get told to wash my hands and use Clorox wipes every time a touch something, or even if i dont...take off my shoes, etc, etc.....She went this morning to get a quick Covid test, which was negative because she has sniffles. But its more for not wanting to bring anything down there.
Wish me luck!

I feel your pain. Our wives must be twins. I just got yelled at for not washing hands after touching laundry that <might> have been worn out of the house and has to be just crawling with COVID germs. Good luck, Charger Brother!

[Bolt4Knob]

I've def got a year of training on the job available to a guy that eye have no idea just how high his ceiling is.

and developing Herbert is the key for me.... why build on unknowns/continued uncertainties, when pretty much the key variable is a known quantity.

the HC/QB relationship is apparently one of, if not the defining relationship in an organization's success.

eye know Herbert is a moonboy w/the sky the limit, and so and in turn, yes.... I want an HC that will max out and go over the top re: developing my SB QB.

what I don't want is to hire an experienced retread or a defensive minded guy that will do his best to see that Herbert is well developed.

unfortunately for you and hopefully fortunately for us, the guy who has thee very best track record of late in developing avg talent into well above avg talent is an OC, so we have to hire him as an HC if we wish him to be involved w/the development of JH10.

it's just one variable, but its a very influential element, and when it's laid out as such, it's usually best to take care of the known elements, and then to let the unknown elements fall into place.

some of you might want to get a reasonable and solid choice for HC (just as risky as getting a first time hire for HC), and to let him fish out his OC of choice.

personally would rather be serving wunderkid to my fans, and w/someone eye know has got it done, rather than rely on some good ol' boy HC and what he deems as a qualified OC.

Joe Brady pls.

The problem with the Chargers is not the development of Justin Herbert though.

I mean, I get it. Joe Brady might be the next great thing or he might not succeed. Some of that has to do with the organization as a whole and the players given to the coach. I understand all that

I can just go by the Chargers history but even before John Boy - they have had successes and failures. The successes were people with experience more than Joe Brady

And though I mentioned Caldwell - personally, I have one name on my list at the tippy tip top and everybody else is a rung or two lower.

[beachcomber]

Telesco is still a respected and young GM. He can always resign if the coach he picks is overruled and as some here say, John Spanos would overrule him just to save money and pick a loser HC. Better for Telesco to leave and maintain his reputation and get another job than get fired in 2 years because the team fails. Again. That is what I intended.

TG

don't think 'tis a matter of money, and don't think Telesco is bothered in the least bit in playing second fiddle to young John, as suspect that the both of 'em enjoy each other's company, and what two pals wouldn't want to be GM/Prez of Football Ops.... 'tis the time of their lives.

more a matter of for the if and when young Spanos gets over the hump.... will he ever many of us ask ??

[beachcomber]

The problem with the Chargers is not the development of Justin Herbert though.

I mean, I get it. Joe Brady might be the next great thing or he might not succeed. Some of that has to do with the organization as a whole and the players given to the coach. I understand all that

I can just go by the Chargers history but even before John Boy - they have had successes and failures. The successes were people with experience more than Joe Brady

And though I mentioned Caldwell - personally, I have one name on my list at the tippy tip top and everybody else is a rung or two lower.

when eye read the sentence in bold, my sense is that you are content w/leaving Herbert things as is, and that the development of the such will proceed as it needs to ??

for myself, am not willing to sit tight there, as see it as the golden egg/opportunity, and the one known variable w/the highest opportunity for yield, and I want to take as few chances there as possible and as many chances at being wildly successful, and for myself there is clearly one guy, as of today in the NFL that represents our best chance at being wildly successful w/Justin Herbert.

and taking him off the list coz he is a first time HC.... absolutely not, as you've said yourself that that's how you missed out on Shanahan ??

don't see how your odds are any better hiring a second time around the block HC rather than a first timer, as for myself see it as exactly opposite.... yes, the second timer could improve his second time 'round, but what he has unequivocally shown me is that he couldn't get it done the first time 'round, and whereas our first time hire has not shown the such.... that he can't get us to the SB.

just think that is a low level criteria for a HC, and subjectively ascribed by somehow thinking that since the Chargers have swung and missed the last two times, that that informs this third time 'round ??

not much of a sample size nor precedent set for success.... me suspex ??