2021 Official Chargers Season Discusssion

[chargeroo]

I think not re-signing Mike Williams is the right decision unless he’s ok with being paid the avg salary for #2 WRs.

He hasn’t improved his route running at all since entering the league and very rarely gets any separation. Every catch of his has to be a contested catch and analytics will show that it’s way too risky to throw the ball to a man like that often.

Palmer has supposedly impressed in training camp so that should translate. I know he had bad QBs at Tennessee so with Herbert he should look much better.

Another way to look at that is to praise him for coming down with those contested passes about 90% of the time.

Also, it's just not true that he's never open and all his catches are contended.

Take 5 minutes to look at this real of his catches from last year and you will see he can get open and he can make some great catches along the sidelines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz_V2_2QlrI

[Tol]

Different topic: Mike Williams not getting extension

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchp...-williams/amp/

Nonetheless, if Williams hits the market, he should have a ton of suitors, and with the Chargers having rumored interest in courting Davante Adams next offseason, this move has been on the walls for some time now.

[UglyTruth]

Another way to look at that is to praise him for coming down with those contested passes about 90% of the time.

Also, it's just not true that he's never open and all his catches are contended.

Take 5 minutes to look at this real of his catches from last year and you will see he can get open and he can make some great catches along the sidelines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz_V2_2QlrI

I don’t dislike him, I just wouldn’t pay him #1 WR money. That’s all. Plus he gets injured a bunch even though thankfully he hasn’t missed many games because of it yet.

[eaterfan]

I don’t dislike him, I just wouldn’t pay him #1 WR money. That’s all. Plus he gets injured a bunch even though thankfully he hasn’t missed many games because of it yet.

Totally agree with you here.

Let's stop talking about Adams. He's not going to hit FA. GB will tag him. But there is a guy who will hit FA most likely, Alan Robinson. Robinson is a similar receiver to Williams but much better. I'd much rather have Robinson and I don't think their salaries will be incomparable. If the team is going to pay #1 receiver money why pay Williams when you can pay Robinson?

[Topcat]

Totally agree with you here.

Let's stop talking about Adams. He's not going to hit FA. GB will tag him. But there is a guy who will hit FA most likely, Alan Robinson. Robinson is a similar receiver to Williams but much better. I'd much rather have Robinson and I don't think their salaries will be incomparable. If the team is going to pay #1 receiver money why pay Williams when you can pay Robinson?

We're already paying KA top dollar. I'm not so sure we can afford bank $$$ for another wideout. Let's see how well Palmer does this season...plus I like Johnson and Proehl is coming on...also like Guyton minus the drops...

[Cdn Bolt]

I think MW is a decent receiver but he has under performed for a #7 overall pick and I didn't like them taking a WR, a more boom and bust position anyway, that high to begin with.

A #7 shoudl be a league leader and he isn't even our top WR. He does have a decent avg though at 15.8. As mentioned , he is more a possession guy winning jump balls. But w Herbert , burners can flourish, just look at how well USFAs like Jaylen Guyton and Tyron Johnson did. Higher round picks like Josh Palmer should do even better.

[BoltUp InLA]

Another way to look at that is to praise him for coming down with those contested passes about 90% of the time.

Also, it's just not true that he's never open and all his catches are contended.

Take 5 minutes to look at this real of his catches from last year and you will see he can get open and he can make some great catches along the sidelines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz_V2_2QlrI

That video really does prove your point about MW’s underrated route running ability. He has improved upon it every year he has been in the league. The only issue with him now is availability. I am looking for him to take that next step, but that will greatly depend on his availability though.

[dmac_bolt]

I think MW is a decent receiver but he has under performed for a #7 overall pick and I didn't like them taking a WR, a more boom and bust position anyway, that high to begin with.

A #7 shoudl be a league leader and he isn't even our top WR. He does have a decent avg though at 15.8. As mentioned , he is more a possession guy winning jump balls. But w Herbert , burners can flourish, just look at how well USFAs like Jaylen Guyton and Tyron Johnson did. Higher round picks like Josh Palmer should do even better.

#7 has absolutely zero relevance to any discussion about any player in 2021 or 2022. It no longer matters what his pick number was. he didnt make the pick, he just answered the phone. I think folks are right that we have a number of good young receivers and its not wise, given that stable, to pay #2 $15M. Just numbers, he’s a good player. I expect he’s gone next year, and if I am TT, I definitely don’t negotiate an extension before the end of the season and i reassess where the team is at, what options are out there, etc.

[Boltjolt]

I think not re-signing Mike Williams is the right decision unless he’s ok with being paid the avg salary for #2 WRs.

He hasn’t improved his route running at all since entering the league and very rarely gets any separation. Every catch of his has to be a contested catch and analytics will show that it’s way too risky to throw the ball to a man like that often.

Palmer has supposedly impressed in training camp so that should translate. I know he had bad QBs at Tennessee so with Herbert he should look much better.

Don't agree with this. You don't keep a guy and pay him 15 mil who doesn't do any of that,. but unless he balls out playing a different type of position in Lombardi's offense, they may think the money he will get isn't worth it. Keenan is our #1 WR.

Not sure Palmer is the guy but let's hope so. Or they have eyes for Devante Adams over paying MW.

We shall see.

[richpjr]

Don't agree with this. You don't keep a guy and pay him 15 mil who doesn't do any of that,. but unless he balls out playing a different type of position in Lombardi's offense, they may think the money he will get isn't worth it. Keenan is our #1 WR.

Not sure Palmer is the guy but let's hope so. Or they have eyes for Devante Adams over paying MW.

We shall see.

The good thing is we have another year to decide, both on Williams to see if he can stay healthy/improve as well as to see if Palmer or any of the other young WR step up.

[Tol]

The RB battle:
Jackson is good when he is on, but injuries and availability are a problem. Rountree and Bradwell averaged 6 and 7.9 YPC. Jackson and Kelley averaged 2.6 and 2.4. One preseason game does not decide all, but I know who my favorites are.

The TE battle:
Uh... I don't really know what we have in McKitty, but I also haven't seen Anderson in a while. Kampmoyer is growing on me, and Sokol is trending up, 2 catches for 19 yards.

The WR battle:
Moore might be the dark horse for the 6th WR spot. Caught 3 out of 3 for 31 yards. Hill had 2 targets - zero catches. Reed had 1 for 6 yds. I keep seeing Proehl's name in TC reports for good things.

QB side note:
Easton Stick threw 7 completions on 7 attempts.

DL side note:
I was looking forward to seeing Merrill get some playing time, and he did not disappoint.

The CB battle:
I want to keep them ALL!
The camp INT leader and now the preseason INT leader - John Brannon had 2 tackles, and a PD.
Kemon Hall 2-1 and 1 PD. Donte Vaughn 1-1 and 1 PD. Tevaughn Campbell 1-2.
A bunch of ball hawks and I don't know how to keep them all, but I want to.

[Topcat]

The RB battle:
Jackson is good when he is on, but injuries and availability are a problem. Rountree and Bradwell averaged 6 and 7.9 YPC. Jackson and Kelley averaged 2.6 and 2.4. One preseason game does not decide all, but I know who my favorites are.

The TE battle:
Uh... I don't really know what we have in McKitty, but I also haven't seen Anderson in a while. Kampmoyer is growing on me, and Sokol is trending up, 2 catches for 19 yards.

The WR battle:
Moore might be the dark horse for the 6th WR spot. Caught 3 out of 3 for 31 yards. Hill had 2 targets - zero catches. Reed had 1 for 6 yds. I keep seeing Proehl's name in TC reports for good things.

QB side note:
Easton Stick threw 7 completions on 7 attempts.

DL side note:
I was looking forward to seeing Merrill get some playing time, and he did not disappoint.

The CB battle:
I want to keep them ALL!
The camp INT leader and now the preseason INT leader - John Brannon had 2 tackles, and a PD.
Kemon Hall 2-1 and 1 PD. Donte Vaughn 1-1 and 1 PD. Tevaughn Campbell 1-2.
A bunch of ball hawks and I don't know how to keep them all, but I want to.

I was really impressed with Brannon...not only that pick, but the dude can tackle...wraps up well...