Chargers Defensive Coordinator Renaldo Hill

[ghost]

In a dream I had we re-signed Tyrell Williams. Not saying he is a dream WR, rather that I dreamt it. What happened to him with the Raiders? Injury?

TG

https://www.raidersbeat.com/tyrell-w...h-the-raiders/

Torn Labrum. He's set to earn $11.6 in salary. He takes a major haircut, or he's cut.... The Raiders won’t have any penalty if they cut him as they’ve already paid him his guarantees. It seems unlikely he’d be willing to do that. He’s probably played his last game as a Raider.

Some brain thinkings: Jon Gruden is a kinda weird guy. He gets up at 3AM, 'to get more done that the other guy other' and he bought one of the new GT350 Shelby Mustangs but he doesn't know how to drive a stick. So it sits in his garage w/ zero miles.

[Parcells]

https://www.raidersbeat.com/tyrell-w...h-the-raiders/

Torn Labrum. He's set to earn $11.6 in salary. He takes a major haircut, or he's cut.... The Raiders won’t have any penalty if they cut him as they’ve already paid him his guarantees. It seems unlikely he’d be willing to do that. He’s probably played his last game as a Raider.

Some brain thinkings: Jon Gruden is a kinda weird guy. He gets up at 3AM, 'to get more done that the other guy other' and he bought one of the new GT350 Shelby Mustangs but he doesn't know how to drive a stick. So it sits in his garage w/ zero miles.

It’s a GT500. And it was gifted to him.

[ghost]

It’s a GT500. And it was gifted to him.

That's weird, right?

[Steve]

Yes. You can.

One is an accident. Two is a pattern. Three is trend. Ran it Chicago. Ran it Denver. Ran it Los Angeles-R. He's gonna run again in Los Angeles-C. Book it.

Staley wasn't the guy making scheme decisions in Chicago or Denver. he ran the scheme he was told to run. No team lets the position coaches run the show in terms of scheme.

2nd. it is not like we haven't been running some of this already. We ran the double eagle front a ton in the game against Baltimore with Bradley. This past season there was the big disagreement with Gus and Lynn that lead to us mixing in cover 2 shell elements to our base cover 3 looks. In both D, we mixed in combination coverages. In terms of scheme, nothing new to see here. In fact the double eagle front dates back to the 1950's (credited to famous Eagles coach "Greasy" Neale) and then a huge revival back in the 1980's and 1990's with the "Bear" version from the 46 D. Again, a ton of teams have played the Bear/Double Eagle front with 34/43/52 personnel, so it is not like there aren't dozens of examples to go by, including how Gus used is with our current personnel.

Staley is just following the college trend to use a lot of "Tite" packages, which are all the rage in college football the past couple of seasons. That is nothing more than stacking the DL inside playing big on big blocking scheme in reverse with the DL over the OL. Instead of giving bigger players leverage outside, he stacks them inside so that smaller players can play in space (now called overhang players). LSU did a huge amount of that and won a national championship.

Everything has been done before. There is nothing new in football, just new ways to window dress what has already been done before. Teams that want to go back and do a little research will find answers to all the things he is doing. What makes what Staley successful is the execution is at a high level. 2 years ago, the rams had all the elements they had last year, but didn't execute very well. In comes Staley, and he was able to get mostly the same players to execute at a much higher level.

[ghost]

Staley wasn't the guy making scheme decisions in Chicago or Denver. he ran the scheme he was told to run. No team lets the position coaches run the show in terms of scheme.

2nd. it is not like we haven't been running some of this already. We ran the double eagle front a ton in the game against Baltimore with Bradley. This past season there was the big disagreement with Gus and Lynn that lead to us mixing in cover 2 shell elements to our base cover 3 looks. In both D, we mixed in combination coverages. In terms of scheme, nothing new to see here. In fact the double eagle front dates back to the 1950's (credited to famous Eagles coach "Greasy" Neale) and then a huge revival back in the 1980's and 1990's with the "Bear" version from the 46 D. Again, a ton of teams have played the Bear/Double Eagle front with 34/43/52 personnel, so it is not like there aren't dozens of examples to go by, including how Gus used is with our current personnel.

Staley is just following the college trend to use a lot of "Tite" packages, which are all the rage in college football the past couple of seasons. That is nothing more than stacking the DL inside playing big on big blocking scheme in reverse with the DL over the OL. Instead of giving bigger players leverage outside, he stacks them inside so that smaller players can play in space (now called overhang players). LSU did a huge amount of that and won a national championship.

Everything has been done before. There is nothing new in football, just new ways to window dress what has already been done before. Teams that want to go back and do a little research will find answers to all the things he is doing. What makes what Staley successful is the execution is at a high level. 2 years ago, the rams had all the elements they had last year, but didn't execute very well. In comes Staley, and he was able to get mostly the same players to execute at a much higher level.

Renaldo Hill - “You have to bring those simulated pressures,” Hill said. “You have to bring those five-man pressures as well as six. Obviously, you want to be able to mix those things in, but you also want to see how your personnel fits to all those things.

How do you bring simulated pressures, five-man pressures, as well, as six, running a 4-3 scheme, Steve? Answer: You don't.

You run a 5-man Eagle Front. Which is exactly what Brandon Staley has carte blanche to do: Build his defense.

Eagle.png

[Heatmiser]

Staley wasn't the guy making scheme decisions in Chicago or Denver. he ran the scheme he was told to run. No team lets the position coaches run the show in terms of scheme.

2nd. it is not like we haven't been running some of this already. We ran the double eagle front a ton in the game against Baltimore with Bradley. This past season there was the big disagreement with Gus and Lynn that lead to us mixing in cover 2 shell elements to our base cover 3 looks. In both D, we mixed in combination coverages. In terms of scheme, nothing new to see here. In fact the double eagle front dates back to the 1950's (credited to famous Eagles coach "Greasy" Neale) and then a huge revival back in the 1980's and 1990's with the "Bear" version from the 46 D. Again, a ton of teams have played the Bear/Double Eagle front with 34/43/52 personnel, so it is not like there aren't dozens of examples to go by, including how Gus used is with our current personnel.

Staley is just following the college trend to use a lot of "Tite" packages, which are all the rage in college football the past couple of seasons. That is nothing more than stacking the DL inside playing big on big blocking scheme in reverse with the DL over the OL. Instead of giving bigger players leverage outside, he stacks them inside so that smaller players can play in space (now called overhang players). LSU did a huge amount of that and won a national championship.

Everything has been done before. There is nothing new in football, just new ways to window dress what has already been done before. Teams that want to go back and do a little research will find answers to all the things he is doing. What makes what Staley successful is the execution is at a high level. 2 years ago, the rams had all the elements they had last year, but didn't execute very well. In comes Staley, and he was able to get mostly the same players to execute at a much higher level.

Steve, this is an excellent and educational post. Thank you. But I do think that there can be new things in football and everything hasn't already been invented. The history of the game shows us this. We just need to see the next new thing. But I do understand your point about some of this not being entirely new conceptually, but rather variations on a theme.

TG

[wu-dai clan]

Renaldo Hill - “You have to bring those simulated pressures,” Hill said. “You have to bring those five-man pressures as well as six. Obviously, you want to be able to mix those things in, but you also want to see how your personnel fits to all those things.

How do you bring simulated pressures, five-man pressures, as well, as six, running a 4-3 scheme, Steve? Answer: You don't.

You run a 5-man Eagle Front. Which is exactly what Brandon Staley has carte blanche to do: Build his defense.

Eagle.png

The key personnel are at the bottom of the screen, John Johnson III (43) and Taylor Rapp (24). They must read and wrap up. Rayshawn can only give us a little of that. Nasir Adderley can give us none of that. He is a gusD Single High player. Move him to Nickel. He can jump routes like crazy, with short area explosive tackling.

At least we have Derwin James, but he should often be at STAR, closer to the LOS or ala Kenny Young (41) although Drue Tranquill can really help there. Kenneth Murray is our Micah Kiser (59).

Joey Bosa is our Aaron Donald (99). Linval Joseph is much more than our Sebastian Joseph-Day (69). We need a Michael Brockers (90), as it is doubtful JustinJones/ Jerry Tillery can give us what we need there long term. They are gusD 3TECHs. I need more anchor. I need more cowbell.

Now the EDGE. Strong side. SOLB. Leonard Floyd's (54) skinny ass is replaced by Nwosu. Set the EDGE, blitz, Zone coverage.

Weak side WOLB. Kyzir White/Emeke Egbule are our Justin Hollins (58). Run and chase. Blitz. Set. Zone/MAN on TEs.

In Staley concepts, there is nothing fancy required on the EDGE. Know your role. Production comes from assignment football and disguised blitzing.

Michael Davis is our poor man's version of Jalen Ramsey. I hope we retain him. Hey there is upside and this did not involve coughing up a bunch of round 1's.

Casey Hayward/Chris Harris/Nasir Adderley (maybe) equals Troy Hill Darious Williams. They have to read, tackle, jump routes, all kinds of good stuff that vets can do. There is disguised Two High help, instead of Nasir flying around, expected to do too much.

PON (high needs) 4i and versatile DB/Safety type. Go get some OL and weapons. Maybe score defensive depth with value picks. That's all folks. tl;dr. Tweak it to your heart's desire.

[Topcat]

The key personnel are at the bottom of the screen, John Johnson III (43) and Taylor Rapp (24). They must read and wrap up. Rayshawn can only give us a little of that. Nasir Adderley can give us none of that. He is a gusD Single High player. Move him to Nickel. He can jump routes like crazy, with short area explosive tackling.

At least we have Derwin James, but he should often be at STAR, closer to the LOS or ala Kenny Young (41) although Drue Tranquill can really help there. Kenneth Murray is our Micah Kiser (59).

Joey Bosa is our Aaron Donald (99). Linval Joseph is much more than our Sebastian Joseph-Day (69). We need a Michael Brockers (90), as it is doubtful JustinJones/ Jerry Tillery can give us what we need there long term. They are gusD 3TECHs. I need more anchor. I need more cowbell.

Now the EDGE. Strong side. SOLB. Leonard Floyd's (54) skinny ass is replaced by Nwosu. Set the EDGE, blitz, Zone coverage.

Weak side WOLB. Kyzir White/Emeke Egbule are our Justin Hollins (58). Run and chase. Blitz. Set. Zone/MAN on TEs.

In Staley concepts, there is nothing fancy required on the EDGE. Know your role. Production comes from assignment football and disguised blitzing.

Michael Davis is our poor man's version of Jalen Ramsey. I hope we retain him. Hey there is upside and this did not involve coughing up a bunch of round 1's.

Casey Hayward/Chris Harris/Nasir Adderley (maybe) equals Troy Hill Darious Williams. They have to read, tackle, jump routes, all kinds of good stuff that vets can do. There is disguised Two High help, instead of Nasir flying around, expected to do too much.

PON (high needs) 4i and versatile DB/Safety type. Go get some OL and weapons. Maybe score defensive depth with value picks. That's all folks. tl;dr. Tweak it to your heart's desire.

Like yer idea of Adderley at nickel, and Nwosu bringing the heat...Let's see how well they fill in the missing pieces in the draft...and FA...

[ChargersPowderBlue]

Renaldo Hill - “You have to bring those simulated pressures,” Hill said. “You have to bring those five-man pressures as well as six. Obviously, you want to be able to mix those things in, but you also want to see how your personnel fits to all those things.

How do you bring simulated pressures, five-man pressures, as well, as six, running a 4-3 scheme, Steve? Answer: You don't.

You run a 5-man Eagle Front. Which is exactly what Brandon Staley has carte blanche to do: Build his defense.

Eagle.png

Calm your bed.

[wu-dai clan]

Like yer idea of Adderley at nickel, and Nwosu bringing the heat...Let's see how well they fill in the missing pieces in the draft...and FA...

There's plenty for you to disagree with.

But here's my working model,
and my current view of what Staley is all about.

We will likely mostly be Hybrid,
based on accommodating existing personnel.

[Boltjolt]

There's plenty for you to disagree with.

But here's my working model,
and my current view of what Staley is all about.

We will likely mostly be Hybrid,
based on accommodating existing personnel.

I think we have more talent on our defense than the Rams do overall. I don't want any of their FA players except maybe Hill.

[Steve]

Renaldo Hill - “You have to bring those simulated pressures,” Hill said. “You have to bring those five-man pressures as well as six. Obviously, you want to be able to mix those things in, but you also want to see how your personnel fits to all those things.

How do you bring simulated pressures, five-man pressures, as well, as six, running a 4-3 scheme, Steve? Answer: You don't.

You run a 5-man Eagle Front. Which is exactly what Brandon Staley has carte blanche to do: Build his defense.

Eagle.png

Again, Bullshit.

Historically, 43 teams are much better at rushing the QB. A few 34 teams have been able to overcome the natural schematic disadvantages that are part of the 34, but that is the exception rather than the rule. You bring 5 man pressures in the 43 by rushing a SAM or WILL LB off the edge like they were an edge player. Again, in our current scheme, align the OTTO over the TE or the OT
, and simply rush 5. As far as zone dogs, (and traditional dogs and stunts), what is stopping a regular 43 team from doing any of that? I would point back to the host of 43 teams who have run bltizing schemes. There is nothing stopping anyone from doing any of that.

Gus didn't do that because that is not his philosophy. However, that doesn't mean that even that SCHEME can't do it. The year the 49ers beat us in the SB, the 49ers used our scheme and guy named Lee Woodall, a SS sized wide 9 OLB for the 49ers had a big impact on a few well timed blitzes in the end of the season and playoffs that year.

34 teams are historically better at being able to disguise their rushes, but what that may work for a bit, once there is enough film on teams to pick it up, it comes down to how well they can get guys in position to CONSISTENTLY rush the QB.

IF you go back and WATCH the RAMS this season, one thing that shows up is they are NOT a great pass rushing team. They get a lot of sacks off of pass coverage. They are not a bad rush team, but many of Floyd and Donalds sacks are simply due to QB not being able to go to their 1st or 2nd reads. The QB holds the ball, going through the progression and the Rams, are covering EVERYONE on O, so that the QB either has to dump it off to his outlet (quickly), throw it away or take the sack.

Again, there is no coverage or front that a team can put in their 34 alignment that a 43 team cannot. I don't doubt that we will be playing something CALLED a 34 next year, but again if you CALLED Ingram an OLB instead of a DE, like many teams that have played EXACTLY the same scheme have done before, then we were 34 team last season. As pointed before, we won't really be either a 43 or 34 team, as Staley was playing his base set something like 12-16% of the time (I keep seeing different numbers), so does that even matter? Most of his alignments are common to both the 34 and 43, so you are simply hung up on semantics.

And looking at Bosa skill set, I don't see him as the next Donald, but on the next Floyd. Bosa does have some ability to line up inside and to rush as a zero or 3 technique player, but he lacks the stunning quickness inside that Donald has. However, Bosa has more long speed and is better in space than Donald, who did spend a lot more time rushing as one of their wide 5, 7 and 9 technique players this season.

As far as getting the stiffy over the double Eagle front, I don't get it.

The double Eagle was a big deal for the Rams, but let's remember that EVERY D in the NFL uses it, and has used it more or less since the 1950's. There is nothing new there. It was big part of Bradley D back in Seattle, and it is a alignment that we have been using the entire time that Bradley was our DC. Pagano, Manusky, Wade Phillips, .... go back as far as you want, Bill Arnsparger .... have all used single and double Eagle fronts for our D.

As someone else in this, or another thread pointed out that we really need to get better nickel, dime and other specialty package guys ... which is interesting to note, since we played our best D under Gus in our dime package ... until we were unable to do it because of injuries the last 2 season. We have LB who are developing and are not very accomplished, but LB are role players in today's NFL. We need more guys like Derwin James, Adrian Phillips and Reshawn Jenkins going forward in our D.