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  • Berserker76
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    Originally posted by cmplxgal View Post
    Interesting. This is the first opinion column along these lines that I have seen.


    Approaching the game’s most volatile play with aggression makes for increased scoring chances. But his defense needs to step up. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen this season and it may end up costing Staley his job.



    Yahoo Sports

    The Chargers are underachieving, and it falls on Brandon Staley

    Charles McDonald
    NFL columnist
    Mon, December 5, 2022 at 7:57 PM


    Issues in life are never as black and white as they seem and that extends to a game like football.

    When it comes to underachieving teams, there can be a myriad reasons why they’re struggling, but that doesn’t change the fact that they're underachieving. One team that currently finds themselves in that scenario is the Los Angeles Chargers.

    The Chargers have struggled through a boatload of injuries that have put a cap on what they’ve been able to accomplish this season, but there’s still the very simple fact that this team is underachieving based on what they set out to do this year — and it’s kind of unclear if Brandon Staley should remain the head coach after this season.

    In a vacuum, a 6-6 record in a league as tough as the NFL is not the worst thing in the world. But it stings a bit more when the team in question had Super Bowl aspirations going into the season. Justin Herbert is verifiably one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and has still played at a damn high level this season in the midst of injuries and a bareboned offensive scheme. For the most part, Herbert has done his fair share of the heavy lifting this year. Staley’s defense has not. At all.

    Injuries to star players like Joey Bosa and J.C. Jackson have definitely hurt, but at some point the person who was hired to lead the defense needs to show why the Chargers were right to hire him as the head coach. Staley was known for being a transformative defensive play-caller for the Los Angeles Rams, building a defense that was unusually stout against the run despite not keeping many defenders in the box. Now, it seems like he was the beneficiary of having Aaron Donald and peak Jalen Ramsey in his lineup. It’s much easier to keep five in the box when one of those five is the greatest defensive tackle in the game's history. Right now, Staley isn’t providing much for the Chargers on the defensive side of the ball.

    Staley’s defense needs players to win their one-on-one matchups up front in order for the entire unit to fall into the picture. That is not happening right now.

    Josh Jacobs (who is playing elite football) ran for 144 yards and a touchdown on 26 attempts in Sunday's Las Vegas Raiders victory over the Chargers. According to Ben Baldwin of The Athletic, the Chargers rank just 27th in expected points allowed per play (0.062) this season. They’ve been getting pummeled on the ground, ranking 29th in expected points allowed per rushing play (0.026). The personnel issues definitely sting, but at some point Staley has to provide value for the Chargers.

    Staley has added an edge at times with his fourth-down decisions since he became Chargers head coach. Approaching the game’s most volatile play with an attitude of aggression makes for better games and increased chances for scoring. But his defense needs to step up on the other end. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen this season and it may end up costing Staley his job.

    Firing Staley after just two years on the job after how highly he was thought of with the Rams seems rash, but the NFL is about results. The Chargers face an uphill climb to make the playoffs, falling way short of the expectations that were set prior to the season. The aspect of the game where Staley really needed to provide an edge hasn’t been an edge at all — in fact, it might tank the Chargers’ season.
    So it's not just a few of us dissatisfied TPB fans that don't appreciate Staley?

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    • lightsout42
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      Originally posted by richpjr View Post

      Andy Reid was 10-9 in the playoffs with the Eagles. Why exactly did the Chiefs hire him?
      To quote Moneyball, “Because he gets on base.”

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      • DerwinBosa
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        Originally posted by richpjr View Post

        Andy Reid was 10-9 in the playoffs with the Eagles. Why exactly did the Chiefs hire him?
        Was there another coach available who had three conference championship game appearances and one Super Bowl appearance in only four years? No, the other options were Bruce Arians (not bad), Mike McCoy (we know how that was), Chip Kelly, Doug Marrone, Marc Trestman, Rob Chudzinski, Gus Bradley, and Marc Trestman.

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        • Maniaque 6
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          Did you say Marc Trestman ?

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          • jamrock
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            Originally posted by Maniaque 6 View Post
            Did you say Marc Trestman ?
            Thought he was so nice he said it twice

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            • northerner
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              Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post
              Sean Payton: 9-8 in the playoffs. Lost two playoff games the Saints shouldn't have against the Vikings--in 2017 and 2019. Lost a ridiculous playoff game to the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks in 2010. Squandered a home playoff game against the Buccaneers in 2020, after owning them in the regular season.

              Why exactly do we want Payton as head coach?
              wow, this message board will shit on just about anybody. did you notice the super bowl ring on Payton's finger?? and he did not ride any coat tails, Payton ran the show in New Orleans. I can see an argument against paying high draft picks to get Payton, but it is hard to question the resume. btw, who do you want as head coach??

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              • CanadianBoltFan
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                Originally posted by ChargersPowderBlue View Post

                What about the years when he didn't make the playoffs? And you still might have Lombardi who was with Payton for some of his years in New Orleans.
                Pete Carmichael has been the OC in NO for 14 years. Not sure why people think Joe would be OC, he was never more than QB coach under Peyton...and Peyton would be designing plays for Herbert, not Joe.

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                • ThatSinkingFeeling
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                  I like the gutsy plays Staley calls, although he should more often go for 3 points than 7. With games as close as Chargers games normally are, then every point counts. That being said, the team has underperformed and they did so even before the injuries hit. Now they need to win nearly all the remaining games if they want to get in the playoffs, and I have a hard time seeing that.

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                  • Critty
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                    Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post

                    Making the playoffs is not enough. In addition to Payton's mediocrity in the posteason, no coach who won a Super Bowl with one team has gone on to a different team and won another. I think there's something to that, much of which might be because they come in full of themselves and not as hungry as they were when they began coaching.
                    I think it's much more simple..how many of these HC had their great QB go with them to another team.

                    We seen Tom Brady and Peyton Manning win SB with different teams.

                    It's a QB driven league. And it's about players making plays.
                    The AFC has Burrow, Mahomes, Allen that Herbert needs to beat if he and Staley or Payton or any other HC "insert name here" wants to win the AFC and win the Superbowl.

                    Herbert is the 4th best QB in AFC.
                    2nd best QB in AFC West.

                    Chargers are 2nd place in West.
                    I'm not surprised. Especially with all these quality starters on IR right now for Chargers.


                    Who has it better than us?

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                    • richpjr
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                      Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post

                      Was there another coach available who had three conference championship game appearances and one Super Bowl appearance in only four years? No, the other options were Bruce Arians (not bad), Mike McCoy (we know how that was), Chip Kelly, Doug Marrone, Marc Trestman, Rob Chudzinski, Gus Bradley, and Marc Trestman.
                      Not my point - Reid’s playoff record was no better than Payton’s is. Not sure how this couldn’t be seen as a massive upgrade.

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                      • CanadianBoltFan
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                        Originally posted by Critty View Post

                        I think it's much more simple..how many of these HC had their great QB go with them to another team.

                        We seen Tom Brady and Peyton Manning win SB with different teams.

                        It's a QB driven league. And it's about players making plays.
                        The AFC has Burrow, Mahomes, Allen that Herbert needs to beat if he and Staley or Payton or any other HC "insert name here" wants to win the AFC and win the Superbowl.

                        Herbert is the 4th best QB in AFC.
                        2nd best QB in AFC West.

                        Chargers are 2nd place in West.
                        I'm not surprised. Especially with all these quality starters on IR right now for Chargers.

                        So many great QBs in AFC. Herbert i only 24 and I think hasnt reached close to his full potential yet. Question is ..are the right people ,,,and weapons... around him to enable him to reach his highest level?

                        I know one thing for sure...Joe Lombardi is not the best OC out there for the job

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                        • Boltjolt
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                          Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post

                          Making the playoffs is not enough. In addition to Payton's mediocrity in the posteason, no coach who won a Super Bowl with one team has gone on to a different team and won another. I think there's something to that, much of which might be because they come in full of themselves and not as hungry as they were when they began coaching.
                          There have been some that have taken two teams to a SB. Parcels and Reid and won one of them. Parcels won his first and Reid won his second.
                          Feel like I'm missing someone else but yeah it's hard. But it's better than coaches who have never done it.
                          I don't buy that they're aren't hungry and full of themselves. Getting to a SB isn't easy.

                          Bellichick still looks like he wants another. McVay been twice already and looks like he has fire.

                          Don't matter if Spanos won't hire a high profile HC. And he has to fire Staley and also Telesco after this season to have a real discussion on it.
                          Last edited by Boltjolt; 12-06-2022, 06:47 AM.

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