Coach Staley Discussion - Fired

[Bolt4Knob]

Caldwell is 70 years old, cant see him coachin Herbert for next 10 years

Pete Carroll is 70 years old

I understand your point but another young first time newby - might as well keep Staley and hope the new GM works out

[richpjr]

Pete Carroll is 70 years old

I understand your point but another young first time newby - might as well keep Staley and hope the new GM works out

Sean Payton is 58. Perfect blend of experience but not tool old.

[SK21209]

Since I am also a fan of Sean Payton (and since his Saints contracts run for 2 more season - 2023 and 2024) here are 2 questions for Payton fans:

1. how steep will the payment to the Saints be? one first rounder? first and a second?

2. how much would people actually want to give up?


I think it could be a high as 2 first round picks or one first and one 2nd round pick in the following year.

My limit might be one first and one 2nd rounder. Or possibly work in trades of picks so that we don't lose picks outright: our 1st round for their 3rd round, etc.

I've been hoping we could get away with not sending them a first round pick but that might be naive. Part of the equation is whether there are any other HC jobs open that he finds attractive and if those teams are willing to get into a bidding war for him. Dallas is the obvious one, Payton definitely wants to coach that team, but they're 9-3 with the best point differential in the league right now. I personally think Dallas is the best team in the NFC (particularly now with Jimmy G out), but it seems likely that the Eagles will hold onto the division and thus the #1 seed. If Dallas is the #5 seed and is playing all of their playoff games on the road, they could have another early exit in which case maybe they move on from McCarthy. If they win at least one playoff game, I don't see McCarthy getting fired. Jerry has historically been pretty slow to move on from coaches.

Arizona is the other one that's been mentioned. Kliff is definitely getting fired and Payton wants a team with an established QB. I think Payton probably finds Arizona less desirable than us or the Cowboys, but would go there if that was his only option. Cincinatti was my dark horse since I've never thought Zach Taylor was a good coach, but they seem to be peaking at the right team so he's probably safe. I can't think of another team that has an established QB and will likely having an opening at HC in the offseason, he's not going to Denver with how bad Wilson has looked.

If it's just between us and Arizona, we'd probably have to surrender a first round pick. I think Arizona is going to be desperate given how bad the public perception of their franchise has been for the last year or so and they'll probably have a higher pick than us. I could see the Saints being gracious and not trying to clean us out in the trade negotiations given how much Payton meant to that franchise, but they'll want a first round pick since they traded their own to move up for Olave. I think I agree that my personal limit would be our 2023 first and a 2024 second.

[Bolt4Knob]

Sean Payton is 58. Perfect blend of experience but not tool old.

Very successful in New Orleans - would be about the best the team could hope for

Benjamin Allbright thinks he will be coaching a team in LA next year. Broncos fans want the guy but he has to keep reminding them the Broncos don't have the draft capital

[cmplxgal]

Interesting. This is the first opinion column along these lines that I have seen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-chargers-are-underachieving-and-it-falls-on-brandon-staley-005739527.html

Yahoo Sports

The Chargers are underachieving, and it falls on Brandon Staley

Charles McDonald
NFL columnist
Mon, December 5, 2022 at 7:57 PM


Issues in life are never as black and white as they seem and that extends to a game like football.

When it comes to underachieving teams, there can be a myriad reasons why they’re struggling, but that doesn’t change the fact that they're underachieving. One team that currently finds themselves in that scenario is the Los Angeles Chargers.

The Chargers have struggled through a boatload of injuries that have put a cap on what they’ve been able to accomplish this season, but there’s still the very simple fact that this team is underachieving based on what they set out to do this year — and it’s kind of unclear if Brandon Staley should remain the head coach after this season.

In a vacuum, a 6-6 record in a league as tough as the NFL is not the worst thing in the world. But it stings a bit more when the team in question had Super Bowl aspirations going into the season. Justin Herbert is verifiably one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and has still played at a damn high level this season in the midst of injuries and a bareboned offensive scheme. For the most part, Herbert has done his fair share of the heavy lifting this year. Staley’s defense has not. At all.

Injuries to star players like Joey Bosa and J.C. Jackson have definitely hurt, but at some point the person who was hired to lead the defense needs to show why the Chargers were right to hire him as the head coach. Staley was known for being a transformative defensive play-caller for the Los Angeles Rams, building a defense that was unusually stout against the run despite not keeping many defenders in the box. Now, it seems like he was the beneficiary of having Aaron Donald and peak Jalen Ramsey in his lineup. It’s much easier to keep five in the box when one of those five is the greatest defensive tackle in the game's history. Right now, Staley isn’t providing much for the Chargers on the defensive side of the ball.

Staley’s defense needs players to win their one-on-one matchups up front in order for the entire unit to fall into the picture. That is not happening right now.

Josh Jacobs (who is playing elite football) ran for 144 yards and a touchdown on 26 attempts in Sunday's Las Vegas Raiders victory over the Chargers. According to Ben Baldwin of The Athletic, the Chargers rank just 27th in expected points allowed per play (0.062) this season. They’ve been getting pummeled on the ground, ranking 29th in expected points allowed per rushing play (0.026). The personnel issues definitely sting, but at some point Staley has to provide value for the Chargers.

Staley has added an edge at times with his fourth-down decisions since he became Chargers head coach. Approaching the game’s most volatile play with an attitude of aggression makes for better games and increased chances for scoring. But his defense needs to step up on the other end. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen this season and it may end up costing Staley his job.

Firing Staley after just two years on the job after how highly he was thought of with the Rams seems rash, but the NFL is about results. The Chargers face an uphill climb to make the playoffs, falling way short of the expectations that were set prior to the season. The aspect of the game where Staley really needed to provide an edge hasn’t been an edge at all — in fact, it might tank the Chargers’ season.

[DerwinBosa]

Sean Payton: 9-8 in the playoffs. Lost two playoff games the Saints shouldn't have against the Vikings--in 2017 and 2019. Lost a ridiculous playoff game to the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks in 2010. Squandered a home playoff game against the Buccaneers in 2020, after owning them in the regular season.

Why exactly do we want Payton as head coach?

[wu-dai clan]

Sean Payton: 9-8 in the playoffs. Lost two playoff games the Saints shouldn't have against the Vikings--in 2017 and 2019. Lost a ridiculous playoff game to the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks in 2010. Squandered a home playoff game against the Buccaneers in 2020, after owning them in the regular season.

Why exactly do we want Payton as head coach?

:shifty:

Because he wants it ?

[CanadianBoltFan]

Sean Payton: 9-8 in the playoffs. Lost two playoff games the Saints shouldn't have against the Vikings--in 2017 and 2019. Lost a ridiculous playoff game to the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks in 2010. Squandered a home playoff game against the Buccaneers in 2020, after owning them in the regular season.

Why exactly do we want Payton as head coach?

Becaise he actually makes the playoffs?

And because he will know how to unleash Herberts potential fully, not handcuff him

[DerwinBosa]

Harbaugh is saying right now he'll be back at Michigan next year. I'm sure he is saying this because he is about to play for a Championship, but he could mean it.

IF so Payton jumps to to top of the list.

I have to think a lucrative contract to coach in Southern California again (he coached the University of San Diego) for a team that has Justin Herbert at quarterback, two budding stars on the offensive line (Rashawn Slater and Zion Johnson), and enough defensive talent to build on (Boas, Derwin, Mack) would entice Harbaugh to leave Michigan. It's up to Dean to finally make the right move.

[DerwinBosa]

Becaise he actually makes the playoffs?

And because he will know how to unleash Herberts potential fully, not handcuff him

Making the playoffs is not enough. In addition to Payton's mediocrity in the posteason, no coach who won a Super Bowl with one team has gone on to a different team and won another. I think there's something to that, much of which might be because they come in full of themselves and not as hungry as they were when they began coaching.

[ChargersPowderBlue]

Becaise he actually makes the playoffs?

And because he will know how to unleash Herberts potential fully, not handcuff him

What about the years when he didn't make the playoffs? And you still might have Lombardi who was with Payton for some of his years in New Orleans.

[richpjr]

Sean Payton: 9-8 in the playoffs. Lost two playoff games the Saints shouldn't have against the Vikings--in 2017 and 2019. Lost a ridiculous playoff game to the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks in 2010. Squandered a home playoff game against the Buccaneers in 2020, after owning them in the regular season.

Why exactly do we want Payton as head coach?

Andy Reid was 10-9 in the playoffs with the Eagles. Why exactly did the Chiefs hire him?