Patriots at Chargers Pregame Discussion (wk 8)

[Guest]

Are people really arguing about whether Belichick is a great coach?

Incredibly, it seems like one poster would like to suggest that Belichick is not all that great. Belichick is very arguably the best football head coach of all time.

[jamrock]

LOL.
There is no coach greater than Michael Jordan, there is no coach greater than Gretzky, there is no HC better than Tom Brady. There is never a coach greater than the actually key player playing the game. Never ever. Its that simple. Figure it out. Get on the right side of history.

Gronk and AB and Fournette wouldn't have joined Tampa to play with Cousins or Ryan. Reported after Brady signed, an unexpected number of free agents reached out to Bucs to play with Tom Brady. And this year too. They all wanted to resign to run it back.

Sorry but this doesn't happen to the Kirk Cousins of the league. So you know, it's a good theory, but wrong for two reasons, the team roster would be different and Brady is simply a better QB and more clutch QB than the Kirk Cousins of the NFL. So No, those more turn over prone QBs like Cousins and Ryan would Not have the impact of Brady where you claim they would have been every bit of the Superbowl winning QB that Brady was. They each would have their own impact. And Brady impact on a team is greater than theirs.

There is no debate about it.
Everyone knows Brady was the key reason for both the Patriots and Buccaneers successful season.

Phil Jackson won more titles than Michael Jordan. By a margin. Jordan didn’t win a single ring without Phil.

Glen Sather continued to win titles after Gretzky left for LA. Gretzky won no more.

Great coaches always have great players. It’s a chicken and egg thing generally. But the guys who are truly great separate themselves by winning at different places or with completely different line ups

[Boltjolt]

agree...... the past draft was loaded with good RBs...... yet Chargers did not grab any of the good ones...even though we had major need.... 49ers who were loaded at RB, drafted 2 really talented backs..... NE also loaded at RB but still drafted Stevenson (whom i wanted Chargers to draft)..... 49ers dont even use sermon...maybe we could trade for him to rotate with Ekler.....

Most everyone here kept saying we can find one in the lower rounds lol. Now its being questioned. The guy i wanted is a Bronco.

[jamrock]

Most everyone here kept saying we can find one in the lower rounds lol. Now its being questioned. The guy i wanted is a Bronco.

Like him but we would ha e been better off than we are now even with an RB on the scrap heap like the 3 Baltimore signed

[Fouts2herbert]

Wow, ekeler got hurt? jackson’s been dealing with a groin problem, kelly and roundtree are going to have to carry the load. hopefully they’ll rise to the occasion, this is not good

[Boltjolt]

Like him but we would ha e been better off than we are now even with an RB on the scrap heap like the 3 Baltimore signed

Yes there are others we could of signed like Murray ....who sprained his ankle against us. Didnt play last week. Could have traded for Mark Ingram for a pizza in 2023.....yes there are probably still others we can trade for.

Marlon Mack, Carlos Hyde, Wayne Gallman, Rashad Penny but he has been a china doll, Rex Burkhead. I havwnt looked at practice squads. Hec even Travis Homer makes plays every time i see him get in a game. No idea why he is 4th on the depth chart.
Just dont think they are going to go after a RB. Still rather get a IDL.

[Critty]

No, I do not need to show you anything of the kind. While everyone can tell that a 7-9 team that has a +9 in point differential with a 30 INT QB is a playoff team with an average QB before the season began, nobody knew how TB's rookies would play, how good White would be, or that players like Brown and Gronkowski would be added later.

The season we are discussing is last season, so your thought that we should look at other seasons when discussing Ryan is ridiculous. Brady was more turnover prone than Ryan last year.

Brady sucked and the Bucs still beat GB because of their defense got some turnovers back and limited Rodgers some. The reality is that most QBs with a loaded roster are going to beat a 7-9 WAS team. Most QBs are going to win when their defense gets 4 turnovers for them like the defense did against NO. Most QBs will play better than Brady did in the NFCCG last year as no QB averages the weak 3 INTs that Brady put up against GB. Most QBs with a loaded roster can score than 9 points against a weak KC defense.

And most people can see that and see it easily.

Most people? I'd bet you right now if you put a poll and asked these most people to back you up. That wouldn't happen as most people will not vote that just any QB could do what Brady did in Tampa. Go for, poll it. You made the unproven claim as if it's common knowledge that any average QB would have won the Superbowl with Tampa last year.

Different QB, different leader, different decisions made pre snap and post snap. Yet same result. No. That not how sports works. It's too organic to be so mechanical like QBs are cogs that can be switched out and voila same results. Most people know this because it's so easy to understand.

[blueman]

Are people really arguing about whether Belichick is a great coach?

Well we know he cheats like crazy, maybe the cheatiest HC ever. Kinda colors things IMO.

[Critty]

Are people really arguing about whether Belichick is a great coach?

No it's just me pointing out the facts of his resume.
That he has not won anything before or after Brady.
And that he is a known habitual cheater. Who has been fined multiple times and lost multiple draft picks.

You are not a great poker player if you have gain illegal access to the opponents cards. You are winning a lot from cheating.

I'm saying show me you are great without Brady and the cheating and then I'll buy it.

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[dmac_bolt]

I don’t find the BB vs TB GOAT/NOGOAT debates very interesting. I see one guy win a ring with two teams and coaches. I see one guy that has never won anything with a different QB. Blah blah blah who fucking cares.

i am betting Eke was just held out for precaution and to rest up a boo boo. He will play and play spectacularly.

[Guest]

Most people? I'd bet you right now if you put a poll and asked these most people to back you up. That wouldn't happen as most people will not vote that just any QB could do what Brady did in Tampa. Go for, poll it. You made the unproven claim as if it's common knowledge that any average QB would have won the Superbowl with Tampa last year.

Different QB, different leader, different decisions made pre snap and post snap. Yet same result. No. That not how sports works. It's too organic to be so mechanical like QBs are cogs that can be switched out and voila same results. Most people know this because it's so easy to understand.

I am examining their playoff run. Please, try to use even a little bit of common sense thinking about this.

Would an average QB with TB's loaded roster have been able to beat a 7 win WAS team? Of course. That would be the expectation.

Would an an average QB with Tampa Bay's roster be able to get a win when the defense forces 4 turnovers against the opponent as they did against NO? Of course. That would be the expectation.

Would have average QB have been able to beat Green Bay when Brady himself threw 3 picks in that game and the Bucs still won? Of course. That would be the expectation.

Would an average QB have been able to score more than 9 points against KC's weak defense? Of course. That would be the expectation.

If your only point is that because it never happened, we cannot say that with 100% certainty that it would have happened, yes, you can always say that just like I can say that the it is not a certainty that the 2006 Chargers would have beaten the winless 2008 Lions because they never actually played. But absent taking a disingenuous position, we all know that the 2006 Chargers would have beaten the winless 2008 Lions just like we all know that given what Tampa Bay's defense did in the playoffs, any average QB would have led them to a Super Bowl victory.

[Guest]

No it's just me pointing out the facts of his resume.
That he has not won anything before or after Brady.
And that he is a known habitual cheater. Who has been fined multiple times and lost multiple draft picks.

You are not a great poker player if you have gain illegal access to the opponents cards. You are winning a lot from cheating.

I'm saying show me you are great without Brady and the cheating and then I'll buy it.

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But Anthony Lynn is a good head coach, right? LMAO!!!

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