Chargers @ Raiders Game Day Thread / Post Game Discussion (Wk 18)

[Xenos]

Yep and add on the road before a juiced crowd with a couple of ex Chargers with a chip on their shoulder ready to stuff the run. Or add when you’re a sub par running team and call that play. Again, this isn’t a math problem and slavish devotion to analytics is a recipe for disaster.

Once again, analytics only tell you to go for it. It doesn’t tell you what play to use or if the play gets executed correctly. We should have left it in Herbert’s hands instead of having Ekeler run it. That was what Popper and others like myself were trying to say.

7. My bigger issue with the fourth-and-1 was the play call. Everyone in the building, including the Raiders, expected the Chargers to run the ball up the middle. I would have called a play-action bootleg and let Herbert be the decider in that crucial situation.

All analytics is another important tool to use in your arsenal. If you have a good offense captained by Herbert, you’re going to be more aggressive and take advantage of those situations.

[powderblueboy]

Yep and add on the road before a juiced crowd with a couple of ex Chargers with a chip on their shoulder ready to stuff the run. Or add when you’re a sub par running team and call that play. Again, this isn’t a math problem and slavish devotion to analytics is a recipe for disaster.

But no doubt, they were going to get a good ball placement spot from the referees if they were anywhere close to a first down.

The referee crew for that night is another thing the analytics lab needs to factor into their calculations, so that they are not sloppy with their results.

[AFboltfan]

Analytics is just another excuse for failure... Accountability is such a rare trait these days that new methods of blame shifting get invented. "weLL aNaLyTiCs SAys gO fOr IT"... Not my fault... derp derp derp.

[Boltjolt]

IYO perhaps . That was completely up for debate. It wasn't like they were trying hard for a 1st down running the ball 3x. They ran all the time they could off the clock then ran the play. That is playing to run out the clock as much as to get closer to kick a field goal. If they wanted the field goal they would have used their time outs and tried to get closer

Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth were puzzling over it live even. You can go back again and watch Ekeler hearing his Raider pal saying they would have taken a knee.

They had nothing to lose running the 3rd down play either. If they got closer it improved a field goal try. If not they could just take the knee

Bottom line.......make a defensive stop. Don't rely on the other team to take a knee. Earn your way in.

We didn't earn it.

[foreigner]

Bottom line.......make a defensive stop. Don't rely on the other team to take a knee. Earn your way in.

We didn't earn it.

Eeverything came down to a lack of proper RT (seen through the game) and a lack of proper Run Defense (Through the game and specifically on the last play before the FG). It was very simple, both were our weaknesses throughout the season and specially in the last game.


Edit: Fire Telesco...

[Xenos]

Analytics is just another excuse for failure... Accountability is such a rare trait these days that new methods of blame shifting get invented. "weLL aNaLyTiCs SAys gO fOr IT"... Not my fault... derp derp derp.

It’s also what helped us win at least 5 games this year. In the long run, we’re more likely to be successful than not using it. It’s not the problem. Failure is turning the ball over too much, not being able to stop teams on third downs etc. Those are what the analytics tell you as well.

[Xenos]

IYO perhaps . That was completely up for debate. It wasn't like they were trying hard for a 1st down running the ball 3x. They ran all the time they could off the clock then ran the play. That is playing to run out the clock as much as to get closer to kick a field goal. If they wanted the field goal they would have used their time outs and tried to get closer

Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth were puzzling over it live even. You can go back again and watch Ekeler hearing his Raider pal saying they would have taken a knee.

They had nothing to lose running the 3rd down play either. If they got closer it improved a field goal try. If not they could just take the knee

What Collinsworth and Michaels did was irresponsible and just created a false narrative. The Raiders were never going to settle for a tie, timeout or not. We needed to prevent them from converting on 3rd and 4, simple as that.

[Cdn Bolt]

What Collinsworth and Michaels did was irresponsible and just created a false narrative. The Raiders were never going to settle for a tie, timeout or not. We needed to prevent them from converting on 3rd and 4, simple as that.

No it didn't. They are both past players looking at it objectively and had no dog in the fight.

No one knows what the Raiders were going to do either. Coaches, players everyone were talking about their options though whether you dismiss it or not. You can also go and watch Ekler's Raider pal telling him they were going to take a knee if you still have any doubt it was a consideration.

We lost the game 10 other ways but the controversy at the end was intriguing and not moot to many.

[Xenos]

No it didn't. They are both past players looking at it objectively and had no dog in the fight.

No one knows what the Raiders were going to do either. Coaches, players everyone were talking about their options though whether you dismiss it or not. You can also go and watch Ekler's Raider pal telling him they were going to take a knee if you still have any doubt it was a consideration.

We lost the game 10 other ways but the controversy at the end was intriguing and not moot to many.

His pal was messing with him. I posted it in the other thread but from his pal’s mouth

[Xenos]

No it didn't. They are both past players looking at it objectively and had no dog in the fight.

No one knows what the Raiders were going to do either. Coaches, players everyone were talking about their options though whether you dismiss it or not. You can also go and watch Ekler's Raider pal telling him they were going to take a knee if you still have any doubt it was a consideration.

We lost the game 10 other ways but the controversy at the end was intriguing and not moot to many.

From Carr’s mouth (without context taken out).
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/10/mm...-playoff-seeds

“Yeah, it definitely did. Obviously,” Carr said on the broadcast. “We knew, no matter what, we definitely didn’t want to tie. We wanted to win the football game. Obviously, you tie, you’re in, all those things. But all day, I was even texting with Aaron Rodgers this morning, my mindset was to make sure we were the only team moving on after this.”

[powderblueboy]

What Collinsworth and Michaels did was irresponsible and just created a false narrative. The Raiders were never going to settle for a tie, timeout or not. We needed to prevent them from converting on 3rd and 4, simple as that.

After the 10 yard run with no time left after the kick....pretty clear by that point.
Before that, not so clear.

[Xenos]

After the 10 yard run with no time left after the kick....pretty clear by that point.
Before that, not so clear.

I think we were all falsely hoping at that point that they settle for a tie by kneeling. But they kept running the ball. Even on that 3rd down they weren’t in a kneel down position. It was foolish to think that a division rival was going to help us in any way. Especially if a tie was going to have them play KC again.