Tom Telesco Discussion - Retained for 2023 Season.

[Air Coryell]

TT should be fired for his 3rd miss on a head coach. Plain and simple. He gets no pass for anything else.

[Topcat]

I am gonna frame it like this. Our problems have to do with nuts and bolts things, which are very boring, and do not equate with good discussion.

TPB has social media superstar wannabes...bad mix.

A main problem here is that loutish, knee jerk, look-at-me takes defeat a solid football discussion amongst fellow Charger fans.

We need better performance from players, better player development. Consistency, with correct techniques are the answer.
That is plainly apparent, starting with what leads to our second half letdowns.

We are scoring in the first half of games.

Now let's point to the defensive struggles. The absence of Joey Bosa and JC Jackson cannot be overemphasized. This was our plan.

JC in shutdown, INT mode would have made the field smaller.

In past seasons, teams would start to march down the field. Joey would eventually make big plays. The result was better Red Zone defensive efficiency.

TPB is in maximum spitball mode. It is a consensus. What a shame. Y'all are missing the story, and with perfectly bad timing.

Good points, Wood, especially the Woods-Bosa plan. I'd like to address the bolded section. Question: How much of an impact does good coaching have on getting a better performance from players?

[21&500]

I think we need to focus on completing the offense before we continue to spend resources on D.
Herbert's abilities gives us the chance to control the game through offense.
the defense will always be a work in progress, whereas Herbert plus dependable support, offers consistency you can use to dictate game tempo with.

[powderblueboy]

I am gonna frame it like this. Our problems have to do with nuts and bolts things, which are very boring, and do not equate with good discussion.

TPB has social media superstar wannabes...bad mix.

A main problem here is that loutish, knee jerk, look-at-me takes defeat a solid football discussion amongst fellow Charger fans.

We need better performance from players, better player development. Consistency, with correct techniques are the answer.
That is plainly apparent, starting with what leads to our second half letdowns.

We are scoring in the first half of games.

Now let's point to the defensive struggles. The absence of Joey Bosa and JC Jackson cannot be overemphasized. This was our plan.

JC in shutdown, INT mode would have made the field smaller.

In past seasons, teams would start to march down the field. Joey would eventually make big plays. The result was better Red Zone defensive efficiency.

TPB is in maximum spitball mode. It is a consensus. What a shame. Y'all are missing the story, and with perfectly bad timing.

All right, i'll take the bait:

What techniques do they need to shore up and in what do they need to be more consistent? (please do not include tackling in all this).

After 27 (or 10) games with this coaching staff, isn't it a tad late to imagine these things are correctable by this point, as far as this season goes; and if you have accurately assessed the situation, what does it tell you about this coaching staff's ability to communicate the basic fundamentals of their systems?

Last year, everything hinged on the ancient Chris harris jr (who had injury concerns). When he flamed out, that D dropped to the depths like a big stone attached to a corpse. This year, the one two punch of bosa/mack (both with injury concerns) was to elevate this D towards being elite. It's not so much injury thwarting their plans so that they are average or below average, it's the precarious drop straight to the bottom once the first part of the plan changes. Staley evidently does not have much of a plan B ever up his sleaves. :shrug:

And let me remind you that they have been very fortunate with Derwin, Callahan and mack (3 players with an injury history)

[Boltnut]

The roster re-build was a 2-3 year thing. It's meant to put a young superstar QB in a position to win a SB for a franchise that has never won a SB.
I'm not concerned with the first 10 games of a season. Especially one in which you lose 5-6 Pro-Bowlers. If most of those Pro-Bowlers are back Week 18... let's discuss.

If they're not back... it was another frustrating season... and time to think about the next 2 seasons.
There are no perfect teams in the NFL salary-cap era. It's not going to happen.
If you went all-in and spent your cap on Pro-Bowlers... you are going to be thin somewhere. Especially if all of your superstars get hurt.
Football 101.

[jamrock]

Good points, Wood, especially the Woods-Bosa plan. I'd like to address the bolded section. Question: How much of an impact does good coaching have on getting a better performance from players?

To me, getting the best out of the players you have is the most basic aspect of a good coach. Strategy, scheme and assignments should all be designed to achieve that goal. The great ones add imagination and creativity

[jamrock]

The roster re-build was a 2-3 year thing. It's meant to put a young superstar QB in a position to win a SB for a franchise that has never won a SB.
I'm not concerned with the first 10 games of a season. Especially one in which you lose 5-6 Pro-Bowlers. If most of those Pro-Bowlers are back Week 18... let's discuss.

If they're not back... it was another frustrating season... and time to think about the next 2 seasons.
There are no perfect teams in the NFL salary-cap era. It's not going to happen.
If you went all-in and spent your cap on Pro-Bowlers... you are going to be thin somewhere. Especially if all of your superstars get hurt.
Football 101.

Staley made it clear that the success of the team would not come from his ability to coach but rather from the acquisition of players. In a cruel Charger twist most were injured early and often.

[DerwinBosa]

The roster re-build was a 2-3 year thing. It's meant to put a young superstar QB in a position to win a SB for a franchise that has never won a SB.
I'm not concerned with the first 10 games of a season. Especially one in which you lose 5-6 Pro-Bowlers. If most of those Pro-Bowlers are back Week 18... let's discuss.

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And what's the excuse for missing the playoffs five out of seven seasons with Philip Rivers at quarterback? Why didn't Telesco get it right with his "roster rebuilds" and two head coaching hires then?

Yes, it was a thrilling offseason in which Telesco put a bunch of exciting gifts under the Christmas tree. But he may have ignored paying the electricity and water bills to make that happen.

[Boltnut]

Staley made it clear that the success of the team would not come from his ability to coach but rather from the acquisition of players. In a cruel Charger twist most were injured early and often.

Staley made it clear that it was hard to win with another DC's players.
With a rookie QB contract, the SB window is now.
Did you expect Staley/TT to slowly rebuild and forfeit the opportunity...?
These were smart moves. Injuries hurt.

[jamrock]

Staley made it clear that it was hard to win with another DC's players.
With a rookie QB contract, the SB window is now.
Did you expect Staley/TT to slowly rebuild and forfeit the opportunity...?
These were smart moves. Injuries hurt.

He’s now made it clear that it’s hard to win with his own guys while a few of the other guys players are contributing significantly. Let’s not forget that the defense went relatively unscathed aside from Bosa until later in the season. Didn’t matter. Defense was still sucking

[Boltnut]

And what's the excuse for missing the playoffs five out of seven seasons with Philip Rivers at quarterback? Why didn't Telesco get it right with his "roster rebuilds" and two head coaching hires then?

Yes, it was a thrilling offseason in which Telesco put a bunch of exciting gifts under the Christmas tree. But he may have ignored paying the electricity and water bills to make that happen.

No OL. And crappy drafting by TT in 2013, 2014. I have discussed his poor drafting/analysis... early. I have also discussed recent performance.
It's ridiculous to cut bait when a player/GM is improving.

[Florida fan]

Let’s look and at a few things that make TT an average GM. Also, think about when did spanos and TT think it was time to find a successor for River’s.
I think chargers would have benefited from drafting a QB to learn under Rivers. No Body would have been better.

HC under TT
McCOY 13-16
Lynn 17-20. ( this is the year Chargers turned sour on Rivers, they could have promoted Whiz but they hired a Running Back Coach)
Stan the Man 21

Under Whiz as OC (‘16 - ‘19) River’s made Pro Bowl - 16, 17, 18.

potentials QB within reach to move up
2016
prescott #37
Brissett #91

2017
Mahomes #10 (off to PO every year)
watson#12

2018
Josh Allen #7 ( funny how Lynn left and Allen Flurished)and off to PO every year.
L. Jackson #32

2019
Honestly no one

2020
Burrow #1
Tua #5
Herbert to us at #6 (chargers had to take qb and if Tua was there they would have pull trigger) this does not scream they knew who they wanted.
Hurst #53

Let’s be real, they don’t know what they are doing in Front office.