2023 Official Roster Build Thread - The Initial 53 / Practice Squad

[Lefty2SLO]

And Asante Samuel says hello right back... he loves Trevor.

As he should . . . . . . . I think Trevor doubled his career interception stat in one game!

[sonorajim]

This IS backwards - one of the traits / indicators of a truly elite player is their ability to raise the level of play of others around them, or to free others up to do more because of the attention the elite player draws. Other than Herbert I don't think that happened last year . . . . . . . . as far as DJ's concerned I think our disagreement is a matter of degrees - I'm just expecting more from him than you are - that's OK.

Post season awards are terrific, and I'm sure DJ enjoyed the extra bank, but there's a component of popularity and notoriety that effects the outcome. I prefer to draw my own conclusions . . . . . . .

DJ played in the NFL's #7 pass defense. He was part of a secondary that was surprisingly good under the circumstances.

[Velo]

You dont quite understand either. His cap hit is 9.1 million this year. (8.1 mil last year)

His salary averages out to $19.1 mil per year. Facts Jack.

[Velo]

DJ played in the NFL's #7 pass defense. He was part of a secondary that was surprisingly good under the circumstances.

The Chargers' pass defense had its moments and was pretty good at times. But those times occurred when Derwin was out of the lineup. The fact is the defense had its best stretch of games when James was inactive.

[Boltnut]

His salary averages out to $19.1 mil per year. Facts Jack.

The fact is that no other safety does all that DJ does. He is more versatile.

[dmac_bolt]

The Chargers' pass defense had its moments and was pretty good at times. But those times occurred when Derwin was out of the lineup. The fact is the defense had its best stretch of games when James was inactive.

What teams did they play? What QBs did they play? How good were those offenses? Cmon bro - multi-factor analysis, it’s a thing!

Staley coached one brilliant game vs MIA. The other games were against tomato cans.

Your analysis that James caused the defense to play worse is fatally deficient.

[sonorajim]

The Chargers' pass defense had its moments and was pretty good at times. But those times occurred when Derwin was out of the lineup. The fact is the defense had its best stretch of games when James was inactive.

The stat was for 17 games, DJ played in 15.

[dmac_bolt]

The stat was for 17 games, DJ played in 15.

Lol.

[Boltnut]

The Chargers' pass defense had its moments and was pretty good at times. But those times occurred when Derwin was out of the lineup. The fact is the defense had its best stretch of games when James was inactive.

I'm not sure there was a less threatening QB tandem of Tannehill/Willis in the NFL last year.
The Dolphins game was a masterful game plan for Staley. Apparently, all you have to do is drop multiple defenders into the middle pass patterns...
I'm 100% sure that you are not suggesting that Gilman is better than Derwin... maybe you could clarify...?
This particular argument may be the least effective argument on the board. It doesn't move the needle at all.

[dmac_bolt]

I'm not sure there was a less threatening QB tandem of Tannehill/Willis in the NFL last year.
The Dolphins game was a masterful game plan for Staley. Apparently, all you have to do is drop multiple defenders into the middle pass patterns...
I'm 100% sure that you are not suggesting that Gilman is better than Derwin... maybe you could clarify...?
This particular argument may be the least effective argument on the board. It doesn't move the needle at all.

He’s been arguing that Derwin makes the defense play worse for about 30 pages, so yeah. He must be,

[Velo]

What teams did they play? What QBs did they play? How good were those offenses?

James was inactive weeks 13-16 last season, except for the game @ Indy when he played less than 50 percent of the defensive snaps. The defense allowed an average of 11 pts per game during those four games. (Derwin was out of the line up for 3-1/2 of those games.)

That stretch of games started with the brilliant defensive performance against the Dolphins. They held Tua to 145 yds passing, a 35.71 completion percentage and a passer rating of 65 - season lows for Tua in each of these categories. This was one of the best performances of any defense in the 2022 season. Accomplished with Derwin inactive. The following week Tua went to Buffalo and threw for 234 yds, 2 TDs and had a 104.0 passer rating. Tua and the Dolphins had the 4th best passing offense in 2022, right behind the Chargers at No. 3. But the Chargers defense completely stymied that offense, without Derwin (or Bosa).

In Week 12, the game prior to the Miami game, the Chargers' pass defense got smoked by Derek Carr and the Raiders for 27 pts and a loss. Derwin played 100 percent of the snaps in that game.

In week 17 when Derwin returned to the lineup full time, the Chargers got smoked again for 31 pts by Russell Wilson and the Broncos.

Make of it what you will. But the four games that Derwin missed (or mostly missed) the defense gave up an average of 11 pts per game, and that stretch included a game against a top 5 passing offense. In the two games immediately prior to this stretch (week 12) and immediately after this stretch (week 17), in which James played most of the snaps, the Chargers' defense gave up an average of 29 pts. Again, make of it what you will. But these are facts.

Then there was the debacle in Jax, in which the Chargers' defense gave up 31 pts, with Derwin playing 100 percent of the snaps.

[Velo]

The stat was for 17 games, DJ played in 15.

Derwin was inactive for weeks 13, 14 and 16 and in week 15 played fewer than 50 percent of the snaps. This stretch of games was the best the defense played all season, giving up an average of 11 pts per game. Prior to this stretch of games, in week 12, the Chargers' defense got smoked for 27 pts by Derek Carr, with Derwin playing 100 percent of the snaps.

When Derwin returned to the line up in week 17, the Chargers got smoked for 31 pts by Russell Wilson. Then the next week got smoked by Trevor Lawrence for 31 pts again.

Make of it what you will, but the fact remains that the defense played its best games when Derwin was inactive. And as soon as Derwin returned the defense played its worst games. Again, make of it what you will, but these are facts.