2023 Official Roster Build Thread - The Initial 53 / Practice Squad

[sonorajim]

I still think our recievers are better than theirs. Really not close imo regardless on your reasons.

In '21 when we were healthy, KC still had Hill.
Pass yds KC 4937, LAC 5014
Pass TDs KC 37, LAC 38

In'22 with injuries to LAC QB & recs:
Pass yds KC 5250, LAC 4791
Pass TDs KC 41, LAC 24

'23 is up for grabs. In theory OC Moore, team health, maybe a new TE- WR puts us on top again. We'll see.

[charger1_sj]

In '21 when we were healthy, KC still had Hill.
Pass yds KC 4937, LAC 5014
Pass TDs KC 37, LAC 38

In'22 with injuries to LAC QB & recs:
Pass yds KC 5250, LAC 4791
Pass TDs KC 41, LAC 24

'23 is up for grabs. In theory OC Moore, team health, maybe a new TE- WR puts us on top again. We'll see.

Kelce missed a couple games and was playing injured that year. Plus the argument is for now, not in 2021. Allen is older
and more injury prone. MW is our only long ball threat and does get hurt a lot. If you're going to compare for one year, what
happened in 2020? But again the argument is not about the past, it's about the future.

[beachcomber]

our FO continues to make decisions that put us up against it/the cap,

we guaranteed Mack, when if we had not we could of just walked away from his contract and been under the cap, and.... not saying that woulda been a wise decision, but we would be under the cap.

we signed MW, well knowing of his injury concerns, his lack of separation, his inefficiency.... we chose his contested catches, ability to get deep, and his intangibles.... we gave up the opportunity to diversify the roster, and get a deep speed threat that half the board is hankering for now.... after the fact (take your medicine.... or do you think you can have your cake and eat it too ?)

and ditto w/Mack.... we guaranteed him money we don't have now.... if it's between Mack, Bosa and Allen, 'tis an easy decision for me.

was always wary of Joey and his enhancement program, as guys that do the such reach their peak quicker, but when their body starts to crumble, it does so w/the quickness.... if that's what's happening now, then I want out of his contract as soon as possible, and in no way would I consider a restructure of any sorts.... no wonder he's pissed.... if anyone is gonna know what's going on, 'tis him.

and like anyone else, would love to see what a healthy Bosa 'n Mack and all the rest of 'em could do on D, and.... the odds have been against us on that front from the start.... we have a top heavy roster in terms of both talent and injury concerns.... if we do better on that front next season than this last, we will have bucked the odds some.... 'specially if we resign the likes of a Tranquill and/or Callahan.

it hurts to bite the bullet, but outta those three, would look into trading Bosa, 'specially if we can get picks, as going into the draft w/only the seven picks is no way to run a successful org.... good teams regularly get addtional picks in the draft.

moving on from Keenan is borderline ridiculous.... you guys love you some MW.... until he's asked to go up against the other team's No. 1

Keenan is not the problem.... (personally don't think our WR corps has a problem, as think we have a more than decent 1-5).... MW was overpaid after being overdrafted, and at the detriment of better filling out/balancing the depth on the roster, Palmer was drafted as a hedge against not signing MW, Tyron was let go not due to a lack of talent, but much more likely due to some sort of personality dissonance w/the either or both of Staley/Herbert, and not only was Guyton hurt, but he wasn't exactly in the rotation before he went down.... and we passed on Kadarius Toney.

do think we could go receiver this draft, as Kellen brings some momentum on O, and that we were likely going WR last go 'round, 'til they were all off the board by 17, and so.... dunno, but personally wouldn't mess w/what we've got @WR, and again personally prefer Khalil's intangibles and likelihood for production next season over Bosa....

love what Bosa brings to the field, just think his odds are the least attractive in comparison to Keenan or Mack, as def don't like MW @WR1, and not sure if it's just because Mack played thru the entire 18 games last season, and Bosa did not, but all things considered, think Joey is the riskiest keep, and in turn could perhaps return us the biggest haul of picks ??

[Bolt4Knob]

Kelce missed a couple games and was playing injured that year. Plus the argument is for now, not in 2021. Allen is older
and more injury prone. MW is our only long ball threat and does get hurt a lot. If you're going to compare for one year, what
happened in 2020? But again the argument is not about the past, it's about the future.

Thank you - thats my biggest point. Allen is probably not going to plateau this year - he probably will be descending. Even if he takes a pay cut - have you improved your WR room by still not upgrading next to Williams and Palmer. The Chargers need two additions next to them that can are younger and faster.

[Boltjolt]

Yeah, their receivers. Kelce and Juju combined for about 2200 yards. Where did the other 3000 yards come from? Answer: the remaining receivers.

Hmm the other recievers had :
Hardman had 297
Moore had 250
Toney had 171
MVS had 687

McKinnon had 512

Seems they had one good WR and a great TE.
I'll also take Andy Ried to play caller any day.

If yards are your criteria, we had 6 guys over 500 recieving yards.

Keenan missed half the season, 7 wholes games, went out early with his hamstring strain, and the game he came back he played mayhe a quarter and went back out.....still had over 750 yards.

Palmer had 760, MW 895 missing 3 + games.

[charger1_sj]

Hmm the other recievers had :
Hardman had 297
Moore had 250
Toney had 171
MVS had 687

McKinnon had 512

Seems they had one good WR and a great TE.
I'll also take Andy Ried to play caller any day

That's their core. Outside of Allen and MW what does our core look like? And by the way Hardman, More and Toney all had injury issues.

[beachcomber]

Thank you - thats my biggest point. Allen is probably not going to plateau this year - he probably will be descending. Even if he takes a pay cut - have you improved your WR room by still not upgrading next to Williams and Palmer. The Chargers need two additions next to them that can are younger and faster.

don't follow any of that logic.... did he descend upon his return from injury ??

how are we so certain that he will be injury plagued for the remainder of his career ??

are there other similar receivers that have fallen off this proverbial and imminent cliff that we forecast for him just ahead ??

[beachcomber]

That's their core. Outside of Allen and MW what does our core look like? And by the way Hardman, More and Toney all had injury issues.

is your bar reasonable ??

what does our core look like outside of Bosa 'n Mack, beyond Ek, outside of Everett, beyond Vato, Asante and Bryce, after Derwin, etc, etc.

beyond Herb.... w/Pips/Feiler, w/Drue/K9, beyond Linsley....

[Bolt4Knob]

don't follow any of that logic.... did he descend upon his return from injury ??

how are we so certain that he will be injury plagued for the remainder of his career ??

are there other similar receivers that have fallen off this proverbial and imminent cliff that we forecast for him just ahead ??

So he was better than Michael Bandy, Jason Moore and Deandre Carter - that was the bar. He wasn't replacing John Jefferson.

As others have pointed out: doesn't get downfield as much, no YAC and more often than not, in a zone coverage he sits down, moves the chains and gets tackled.

He has been a very good player - but looking ahead, the Chargers need more explosiveness from the offense. The Chargers offense was very plodding , took a lot of work to score. WR seems like the area they can start with along with TE.

[sonorajim]

So he was better than Michael Bandy, Jason Moore and Deandre Carter - that was the bar. He wasn't replacing John Jefferson.

As others have pointed out: doesn't get downfield as much, no YAC and more often than not, in a zone coverage he sits down, moves the chains and gets tackled.

He has been a very good player - but looking ahead, the Chargers need more explosiveness from the offense. The Chargers offense was very plodding , took a lot of work to score. WR seems like the area they can start with along with TE.

We'll start with a healthy QB & LT and that's a major plus for 2023 passing. Allegedly Moore is an offensive plus.
Many had a strong dislike for Lombardi. Injuries to QB & receivers + Lombo playcalling were the suspected culprit.
Cap & new OC make the WR question interesting. Me, I'd like to have Slayer in '23. Find a way to wiggle his cap hit & keep him.

[Boltjolt]

Thank you - thats my biggest point. Allen is probably not going to plateau this year - he probably will be descending. Even if he takes a pay cut - have you improved your WR room by still not upgrading next to Williams and Palmer. The Chargers need two additions next to them that can are younger and faster.

This isn't Madden, and 30 for a WR isnt a decending age.

He wasn't decending at all this year.

You want to say he is making too much money against the cap, fine but don't say things we all can see isn't true. I can see Keenan being productive to 34-35.

The only reason anybody is saying anything about his age because he had a hamstring issue for the first time in his career.

That happens at all ages around the league. We had two young guys miss a lot of time because of it.

[Velo]

Cooper Rush as Herbert's backup? I'm reading Rush, a FA, might want to follow his former OC. Rush as pretty good in relief of Dak while Dak was injured early last season. And he could help Herbert prepare/learn Moore's offense (one of the reasons they liked Daniel). Rush would be a better backup than Daniel or Stick (tho Stick has never gotten his chance to prove what he can do in an NFL game with real NFL starters).